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05-15-2011, 04:08 PM | #58 | |
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Should be negligible, if not less...but that's something so detailed we haven't a chance at guessing till it's torn apart in a shop somewhere.
EDIT: I hadn't realized they'd released information on the diameter of the new sways... Off-hand, I don't know the diameter of the 2010-2011 or aftermarket sways...but here's the release on the 2012 FE4 improvement. I imagine we could infer a weight based on what we've been given. Just keep in mind they're longer in 2012... Quote:
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As for the NG Mustang, your insights aren't off the wall. Even if you were going by your own instincts and ideas it's probably not far off from at least what Ford might like to do, even if they don't or can't. You seem fairly confident so I'll only say that my experience is that unless you know somebody who IS working on the program and IS risking their job by leaking information, then I wouldn't count on it. As I said, internet speculation, even good internet speculation can be a wide margin from fact. I see a LOT of "a guy I know........" comments about GM products on the internet that are so far off you would laugh if you knew the truth. In the industry, there is a lot of internal "what if we.............." and suddently somebody saw a memo or overheard a hallway conversation and it gets out as FACT....................only it was a 5 minute study that resulted in a "never mind, I thought we could go that way". So I'll defer to your confidence because I don't keep as close to Ford stuff other than our internal "counter intelligence" activity Besides, my friends at Ford don't tell me much other than how much they luuuvvvvvv their jobs. No, really they don't tell me anything. You'd think something would slip after that 3rd beverage, but nothing...................that I'd ever admit to.................comes up. Strange. And for what it's worth, I believe we are at a historical time in the auto industry. In 2016, CAFE will rule the world as far as we know it today. Do an internet search and look at what China is proposing. They are actually worse than CAFE in the out years. In some worse case scenarios, they may be at 50 MPG + in the very near future. And with many cities in Europe proposing "no drive" times for gas AND diesel cars and trucks. CO2, Green House Gas regulations. They will drive us to a new and very different future. Even if oil is not a rare item, the demand for it in countries with rather large populations (China and India) will only go up. So we are at what I beleive to be the Zenith of gasoline fueled performance. The simple fact that you can go to Ford and GM and have a choice of 500+ HP cars is simply insane. And those cars still are capable of 20 mpg give or take. But 5 or 10 years, this simply will be so heavily regulated or cost constrained due to the price of fuel that it will simply be harder and harder to get cars like the ZL1, Z06, GT500 to market in such an affordable manner. It might be why I love these discussions. Talking about a Z28 is not far fetched today. It's a possibility..............it could happen.................maybe. But in by 2025 that conversation may require biblical tones to be realistic. So could we tolerate a 2025 discussion about a Z28 with electric propulsion? Or is our historical reference to what a Z28 is make that impossible. Hmmmmmm maybe too profound a question. It's easier to speculate on 2012 and 2013 than 2025. I haven't heard any rumors on 2025 yet. LOL
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Anyways, you may be more interested to look into the Grand Sport Corvette...it's a base Corvette with the Z06's suspension and bodywork. It replaced the Z51 package available on Corvettes. |
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Because I just traded in my 2009 s197 GT in for a 2010 2SS, I can speak a little about the Mustang vs Camaro.
Head room, the Mustang destroys the Camaro, I'm 6' and have already hit my head off the roof of the camaro 2x, I never hit it in the Mustang. It might be the seat position or the roof slant, but the Mustang wins that. Shoulder width, Camaro hands down, the Camaro is a much more overall comfortable car. I'm 195 lbs and have a wide back. Back seat, Camaro wins, the roof has a more aggressive slant to the back window, it gives the rear passengers more space directly above thier heads. People have hit their head on the back window of my mustang a few times (Im sure the 460whp didn't help that). Leg space seems about the same. Ride, My camaro is lowered, and my Mustang was set up for drag racing (no front sway bar, anti-squat, etc..) so I can't compare the two. The Camaro is a more fun car to drive though. acceleration, again, I cant compare because the mustang was heavily modified. attention, they get about the same total amount of attention. The Camaro gets more attention from young people, the mustang got more from older people. seat comfort, both are very comfortable user interface (buttons, controls, etc..), mustang all the way. The camaro needs a bunch of clicks to get to any of the settings, the mustang was simplified. The camaro also has more features, so that might just be a trade off. thats about all the comparisons I can think of, if you have one that you would like for me to think about, let me know. |
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Pill, let's take an alternate look at a "speculated" Z28.
Start with a ZL1 and go "back" to a Z28. This could(?) be easier for GM, to de-content. |
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I'd like to see a ZL1 minus the LSA, mag suspension and heavy power seats. Add back an LS3 with as close to 475hp as possible, an adjustable beefed up suspension and manual more supportive seats. Add a Z28 inspired front fascia, hood and rear spoiler.
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05-15-2011, 05:41 PM | #69 |
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BTW Number 3 would this way of doing things (stripping back from another model) assist in speeding up a project?
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Sure, and not even saying it couldn't happen. It's just the toughets link in your list.
Most definitely. The more things you have that have already been tested and to meet your requirements, the easier it will be. So to simply take the chassis bits from the ZL1 and take away MR would be much easier than to try to develop another all new suspension. And to simply maintain an SS interior instead of an all new Z28 specific interior is a no brainer. So a unique fascia would be a bit of work, but a new engine or higher output engine would require some work. For example, if you get your 475 HP LS3 that you are dreaming of would you use the trans and rear axle from the SS? or would you use the heavier duty bits from the ZL1? The ZL1 with a lower output engine would be easier, but heavier. The SS driveline would require the same torque management in the base LS3. So the more KNOWNS you can start with the easier the work to get there.
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