ZL1-LSA-MR+LS7+Pedders Coilovers = Z28?

[ShnOmac]

Originally Posted by Sour DeeZ

GM will not have to worry about mass producing the LS7, because the ZL1 is not going to be mass produced. At least within the first year.

Im a little confused about this post....

The ZL1 is not going to have the LS7..... So how does it tie in?

[wildpaws]

Originally Posted by TLSTWIN

Not sure if you are responding to my comment above, but what I am responding to his statement that it is only speculation of how well the ZL1 will handle. He said it is all on paper...... when it is not on paper... if the MR system didn't work well, GM would never put it in a CORVETTE..

I think GM would be wasting their time to try and build something LESS than the ZR1..... I guarantee less than 10% of camaro owners do any type of twisty road or road course riding....

GM has already built a specialty car "track car", the ZL1....

The only thing MOST people want is the name Z28..... WHAT IF I TOLD YOU THE Z28 WAS RENAMED AND ALREADY DEBUTED PURE SPECULATIONON MY PART

You can claim what you want , my point is that NO ONE but perhaps some GM engineers has driven a ZL1 flat out in the twisties yet, so the ZL1 configuration is speculation on paper UNTIL it is in production and can be driven by a number of people (unless of course GM/Chevrolet wants to release test results at this point in time). You can have proven parts or systems on any number of vehicles, they may work well on the vehicles they are already on, but when it is going on a different vehicle or configuration, it still has to be proven. And it's OK if you think that the ZL1 is the ultimate track configuration Camaro, there are people out there that want something different than the ZL1.
Clyde

[LOWDOWN]

Originally Posted by TLSTWIN

Not sure if you are responding to my comment above, but what I am responding to his statement that it is only speculation of how well the ZL1 will handle. He said it is all on paper...... when it is not on paper... if the MR system didn't work well, GM would never put it in a CORVETTE..

I think GM would be wasting their time to try and build something LESS than the ZR1..... I guarantee less than 10% of camaro owners do any type of twisty road or road course riding....

GM has already built a specialty car "track car", the ZL1....

Here's the deal, Twin. If you're gonna "quote" someone, then use the QUOTE...otherwise you're "interpreting" someone, or "assuming" someone's words mean "whatever" you say they do...and we ALL know what happens when you ASS U ME...

No one here has accused GM/Camaro of a "fail" with regard to the ZL1. Simply (?), GM will do in Oshawa what the Aftermarket has already done HOW MANY TIMES? Put a blower on an LS3, exacerbate the Curb Weight situation, band aid it with MR (ala CTS-V)/forged wheels/sticky rubber, steam roll (hopefully) the GT 500 (600?), and anything coming out of their "crosstown" rivals in Brampton (read: MOPAR).

BUT...and it is a BIG but...they are simply following a tried-and-proven recipe of their own followers (SLP/LPE/Hennessey/Livernois et al), only they have the wherewithall to use the LSA "from the shelf" instead of a "Maggie" via UPS.

And, since FoMoCo had another ace up its sleeve, they arrived at the party with something NOW glaringly missing from the street/road/track by everyone else: a true, honest-to-God, electronics-be-damned, DRIVER'S CAR...the once-great and now-reborn BOSS...with the SAME "mission statement" for the precurser of the BOSS, 'way back when, known as the "Z/28".

I guarantee you Ford doesn't consider it a "waste of time" to create something of value and interest to 4000 people per annum...

And, with an LS7 (or equivalent!) WITHOUT 150+ lb of forced induction sitting over the front wheels, in an "enhanced-FE4" ZL1-derived drivelined Camaro. NOT an assault rifle at a knife fight, but a scalpel at a knife fight. NOT a double-barrelled shotgun, or even a .44 Magnum, at a gunfight, but a Walther PPK...sleek, finessed, a work of art, a joy to hold AND behold...and deadly effective.

Will it do the smokiest burnout? Who cares. Will it out-1/4-mile one and all? Who cares. Will it run sub-8s @ the 'Ring, or outrun on a tight road course every other monster-engined pseudo-sporty car in the Western Hemisphere/World? Interesting question...one it will die trying to accomplish...with finesse, with style, with true driver satisfaction, NOT because the electronics turn Joe Tool into Joe Kewl!

Historical relevance: 1969 saw less than 1,000 COPOs built (two varieties), and roughly 20,000 Big Block SSs. Z/28s? 19,000-and-change. Was a Z/28 the fastest? No. Was it the quickest? No. But, to those 19,000-odd folks, it was a car they WON'T EVER FORGET!

One undeniable truth: If GM can make a 4050 lb Camaro with 575 hp into an "incredible GT", just imagine what 505 hp that rev to the moon, with only 3800 lbs, driven only by talent could be like...

And, if you can't/won't, there's an entire section on this Forum for ZL1 fans/intenders/owners... http://www.camaro5.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=85

THIS ain't it...

...and ALL the related ones regarding Z/28...

[Blizzard]

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

Here's the deal, Twin. If you're gonna "quote" someone, then use the QUOTE...otherwise you're "interpreting" someone, or "assuming" someone's words mean "whatever" you say they do...and we ALL know what happens when you ASS U ME...

No one hear has accused GM/Camaro of a "fail" with regard to the ZL1. Simply (?), GM will do in Oshawa what the Aftermarket has already done HOW MANY TIMES? Put a blower on an LS3, exacerbate the Curb Weight situation, band aid it with MR (ala CTS-V)/forged wheels/sticky rubber, steam roll (hopefully) the GT 500 (600?), and anything coming out of their "crosstown" rivals in Brampton (read: MOPAR).

BUT...and it is a BIG but...they are simply following a tried-and-proven recipe of their own followers (SLP/LPE/Hennessey/Livernois et al), only they have the wherewithall to use the LSA "from the shelf" instead of a "Maggie" via UPS.

And, since FoMoCo had another ace up its sleeve, they arrived at the party with something NOW glaringly missing from the street/road/track by everyone else: a true, honest-to-God, electronics-be-damned, DRIVER'S CAR...the once-great and now-reborn BOSS...with the SAME "mission statement" for the precurser of the BOSS, 'way back when, known as the "Z/28".

I guarantee you Ford doesn't consider it a "waste of time" to create something of value and interest to 4000 people per annum...

And, with an LS7 (or equivalent!) WITHOUT 150+ lb of forced induction sitting over the front wheels, in an "enhanced-FE4" ZL1-derived drivelined Camaro. NOT an assault rifle at a knife fight, but a scalpel at a knife fight. NOT a double-barrelled shotgun, or even a .44 Magnum, at a gunfight, but a Walther PPK...sleek, finessed, a work of art, a joy to hold AND behold...and deadly effective.

Will it do the smokiest burnout? Who cares. Will it out-1/4-mile one and all? Who cares. Will it run sub-8s @ the 'Ring, or outrun on a tight road course every other monster-engined pseudo-sporty car in the Western Hemisphere/World? Interesting question...one it will die trying to accomplish...with finesse, with style, with true driver satisfaction, NOT because the electronics turn Joe Tool into Joe Kewl!

Historical relevance: 1969 saw less than 1,000 COPOs built (two varieties), and roughly 20,000 Big Block SSs. Z/28s? 19,000-and-change. Was a Z/28 the fastest? No. Was it the quickest? No. But, to those 19,000-odd folks, it was a car they WON'T EVER FORGET!

One undeniable truth: If GM can make a 4050 lb Camaro with 575 hp into an "incredible GT", just imagine what 505 hp that rev to the moon, with only 3800 lbs, driven only by talent could be like...

And, if you can't/won't, there's an entire section on this Forum for ZL1 fans/intenders/owners... http://www.camaro5.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=85

THIS ain't it...

...and ALL the related ones regarding Z/28...

my favorite part is in bold

[TLSTWIN]

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

Here's the deal, Twin. If you're gonna "quote" someone, then use the QUOTE...otherwise you're "interpreting" someone, or "assuming" someone's words mean "whatever" you say they do...and we ALL know what happens when you ASS U ME...

No one here has accused GM/Camaro of a "fail" with regard to the ZL1. Simply (?), GM will do in Oshawa what the Aftermarket has already done HOW MANY TIMES? Put a blower on an LS3, exacerbate the Curb Weight situation, band aid it with MR (ala CTS-V)/forged wheels/sticky rubber, steam roll (hopefully) the GT 500 (600?), and anything coming out of their "crosstown" rivals in Brampton (read: MOPAR).

BUT...and it is a BIG but...they are simply following a tried-and-proven recipe of their own followers (SLP/LPE/Hennessey/Livernois et al), only they have the wherewithall to use the LSA "from the shelf" instead of a "Maggie" via UPS.

And, since FoMoCo had another ace up its sleeve, they arrived at the party with something NOW glaringly missing from the street/road/track by everyone else: a true, honest-to-God, electronics-be-damned, DRIVER'S CAR...the once-great and now-reborn BOSS...with the SAME "mission statement" for the precurser of the BOSS, 'way back when, known as the "Z/28".

I guarantee you Ford doesn't consider it a "waste of time" to create something of value and interest to 4000 people per annum...

And, with an LS7 (or equivalent!) WITHOUT 150+ lb of forced induction sitting over the front wheels, in an "enhanced-FE4" ZL1-derived drivelined Camaro. NOT an assault rifle at a knife fight, but a scalpel at a knife fight. NOT a double-barrelled shotgun, or even a .44 Magnum, at a gunfight, but a Walther PPK...sleek, finessed, a work of art, a joy to hold AND behold...and deadly effective.

Will it do the smokiest burnout? Who cares. Will it out-1/4-mile one and all? Who cares. Will it run sub-8s @ the 'Ring, or outrun on a tight road course every other monster-engined pseudo-sporty car in the Western Hemisphere/World? Interesting question...one it will die trying to accomplish...with finesse, with style, with true driver satisfaction, NOT because the electronics turn Joe Tool into Joe Kewl!

Historical relevance: 1969 saw less than 1,000 COPOs built (two varieties), and roughly 20,000 Big Block SSs. Z/28s? 19,000-and-change. Was a Z/28 the fastest? No. Was it the quickest? No. But, to those 19,000-odd folks, it was a car they WON'T EVER FORGET!

One undeniable truth: If GM can make a 4050 lb Camaro with 575 hp into an "incredible GT", just imagine what 505 hp that rev to the moon, with only 3800 lbs, driven only by talent could be like...

And, if you can't/won't, there's an entire section on this Forum for ZL1 fans/intenders/owners... http://www.camaro5.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=85

THIS ain't it...

...and ALL the related ones regarding Z/28...

So you are saying I am not quoting someone properly, then you accuse me of me saying you are all saying GM "failed"?

I did quote him properly, and we had a very easy conversation.... we didn't get our panties in a bunch.....

Now give me the specs of this LS7: weight, power, etc.... then give me the specs of the LSA...... what is the weight of the ZL1? I highly doubt there will be a 5th gen camaro tipping the scales at 3800..... that car would have to be stripped completely..... THE BOSS doesn't even do that on the Laguna Seca model, all the do to the interior is back seat delete and ADD cross bracing.

[LOWDOWN]

Originally Posted by TLSTWIN

Now give me the specs of this LS7: weight, power, etc.... then give me the specs of the LSA...... what is the weight of the ZL1? I highly doubt there will be a 5th gen camaro tipping the scales at 3800..... that car would have to be stripped completely..... THE BOSS doesn't even do that on the Laguna Seca model, all the do to the interior is back seat delete and ADD cross bracing.

I asked you to ...

Start with Post # 411...or, better yet, start @ #1...there's a LOT of content, here, including insightful words from Genuine GM folks...as well as myriad threads in the Z/28 Section.

Then, get back to us...

And, as you demonstrated above, use the QUOTE button, as required...

BTW, did you realize that "Thanks Vermilion" was the name of a High Impact paint color from MOPAR, years ago?!

[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

Here's the deal, Twin. If you're gonna "quote" someone, then use the QUOTE...otherwise you're "interpreting" someone, or "assuming" someone's words mean "whatever" you say they do...and we ALL know what happens when you ASS U ME...

No one here has accused GM/Camaro of a "fail" with regard to the ZL1. Simply (?), GM will do in Oshawa what the Aftermarket has already done HOW MANY TIMES? Put a blower on an LS3, exacerbate the Curb Weight situation, band aid it with MR (ala CTS-V)/forged wheels/sticky rubber, steam roll (hopefully) the GT 500 (600?), and anything coming out of their "crosstown" rivals in Brampton (read: MOPAR).

BUT...and it is a BIG but...they are simply following a tried-and-proven recipe of their own followers (SLP/LPE/Hennessey/Livernois et al), only they have the wherewithall to use the LSA "from the shelf" instead of a "Maggie" via UPS.

And, since FoMoCo had another ace up its sleeve, they arrived at the party with something NOW glaringly missing from the street/road/track by everyone else: a true, honest-to-God, electronics-be-damned, DRIVER'S CAR...the once-great and now-reborn BOSS...with the SAME "mission statement" for the precurser of the BOSS, 'way back when, known as the "Z/28".

I guarantee you Ford doesn't consider it a "waste of time" to create something of value and interest to 4000 people per annum...

And, with an LS7 (or equivalent!) WITHOUT 150+ lb of forced induction sitting over the front wheels, in an "enhanced-FE4" ZL1-derived drivelined Camaro. NOT an assault rifle at a knife fight, but a scalpel at a knife fight. NOT a double-barrelled shotgun, or even a .44 Magnum, at a gunfight, but a Walther PPK...sleek, finessed, a work of art, a joy to hold AND behold...and deadly effective.

Will it do the smokiest burnout? Who cares. Will it out-1/4-mile one and all? Who cares. Will it run sub-8s @ the 'Ring, or outrun on a tight road course every other monster-engined pseudo-sporty car in the Western Hemisphere/World? Interesting question...one it will die trying to accomplish...with finesse, with style, with true driver satisfaction, NOT because the electronics turn Joe Tool into Joe Kewl!

Historical relevance: 1969 saw less than 1,000 COPOs built (two varieties), and roughly 20,000 Big Block SSs. Z/28s? 19,000-and-change. Was a Z/28 the fastest? No. Was it the quickest? No. But, to those 19,000-odd folks, it was a car they WON'T EVER FORGET!

One undeniable truth: If GM can make a 4050 lb Camaro with 575 hp into an "incredible GT", just imagine what 505 hp that rev to the moon, with only 3800 lbs, driven only by talent could be like...

And, if you can't/won't, there's an entire section on this Forum for ZL1 fans/intenders/owners... http://www.camaro5.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=85

THIS ain't it...

...and ALL the related ones regarding Z/28...

To the Mods; this should be quote of the year!!!
Thank you!

[TLSTWIN]

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

I asked you to ...

Start with Post # 411...or, better yet, start @ #1...there's a LOT of content, here, including insightful words from Genuine GM folks...as well as myriad threads in the Z/28 Section.

Then, get back to us...

And, as you demonstrated above, use the QUOTE button, as required...

BTW, did you realize that "Thanks Vermilion" was the name of a High Impact paint color from MOPAR, years ago?!

No thanks to much babble in posts like yours above

Don't care about the color of a mopar.....

Using " " is the same as hitting the quote button, but not using the space like you asked me too

[JusticePete]

The best part of the Camaro5 forum is the passion all the the members bring every day.

[Number 3]

Weeeeeeeee!!!

This is getting fun.

However, since this thread is about a mythical car that we all hope comes to be, there is little benefit in getting testy.

Hmmmmmm, looking forward to driving an FE4 soon.

[TLSTWIN]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Weeeeeeeee!!!

This is getting fun.

However, since this thread is about a mythical car that we all hope comes to be, there is little benefit in getting testy.

Hmmmmmm, looking forward to driving an FE4 soon.

[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Weeeeeeeee!!!

This is getting fun.

However, since this thread is about a mythical car that we all hope comes to be, there is little benefit in getting testy.

Hmmmmmm, looking forward to driving an FE4 soon.

RE: FE4
Will you inform us of your observations?

[JusticePete]

I didn't know the Sonic would have a FE4 option

[radz28]

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

RE: FE4
Will you inform us of your observations?