[hotlap]

Originally Posted by ztwentypoop

It already beats it in MSRP, power, weight and available options, but you just keep hanging on to that hope, if it makes you feel better. I do agree though, the future looks bright for performance enthusiasts of all makes.

I have no "hopes" one way or the other but do think we should actually see the GT350R beat the Z/28 before giving it the crown.

If (when) the GT350R beats the Z/28 it will have been expected. Obsolete model (based on the 1999 Holden full size sedan platform - Zeta). If for some reason it does not, oh boy. Its a no lose for Chevy but sure will be fun to watch.

[titanfan]

Originally Posted by hotlapZL1

I have no "hopes" one way or the other but do think we should actually see the GT350R beat the Z/28 before giving it the crown.

If (when) the GT350R beats the Z/28 it will have been expected. Obsolete model (based on the 1999 Holden full size sedan platform - Zeta). If for some reason it does not, oh boy. Its a no lose for Chevy but sure will be fun to watch.

I know what you are saying and do not disagree. But let's say an actual head-to-head comparison never takes place and all we have is lap times at various track to go by, will you concede the "crown" to the GT350R if the times it puts up at VIR, SoW, Laguna Seca, etc. are better than the z?

And while there is "no lose", in your opinion, for the Z in a head-to-head loss to the GT350, the reality is the Mustang boys and magazines will still make a HUGE deal about it. When it comes to Internet and parking lot bragging rights, there are no rules or stipulation, just excuses. Like me, you've been around long enough to know this.

It will be fun to watch, or better yet, experience!

[titanfan]

So, to summarize the thread this far:

1. There will be no GT350/GT350R answer from Team Camaro at launch.
2. 5thGen z/28 is old and busted.
3. GT350/GT350R is the new hotness.

Opinions on the latter two will vary and past performance is not indicative of future results.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by ztwentypoop

So, to summarize the thread this far:

1. There will be no GT350/GT350R answer from Team Camaro at launch.
2. 5thGen z/28 is old and busted.
3. GT350/GT350R is the new hotness.

Opinions on the latter two will vary and past performance is not indicative of future results.

Old busted hotness

and 4. Dodge doesn't care.

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by ztwentypoop

I know what you are saying and do not disagree. But let's say an actual head-to-head comparison never takes place and all we have is lap times at various track to go by, will you concede the "crown" to the GT350R if the times it puts up at VIR, SoW, Laguna Seca, etc. are better than the z?

And while there is "no lose", in your opinion, for the Z in a head-to-head loss to the GT350, the reality is the Mustang boys and magazines will still make a HUGE deal about it. When it comes to Internet and parking lot bragging rights, there are no rules or stipulation, just excuses. Like me, you've been around long enough to know this.

It will be fun to watch, or better yet, experience!

Of course the Mustang boys will cheer. Just like if the GT350R loses, they will come up with numerous excuses.

[SupportGeek]

Originally Posted by ztwentypoop

And while there is "no lose", in your opinion, for the Z in a head-to-head loss to the GT350, the reality is the Mustang boys and magazines will still make a HUGE deal about it. When it comes to Internet and parking lot bragging rights, there are no rules or stipulation, just excuses. Like me, you've been around long enough to know this.

It will be fun to watch, or better yet, experience!

Speaking for myself, its going to be easy to dismiss, Im not likely to own either the GT350R or the Z28 ever, nor will 99% of those mustang boys doing the bragging.

[NASTY99Z28]

Wish the mag's would test a fully loaded version like they currently do along with a "stripper". Best of both worlds and it would appease both sides. One can only dream.

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by Iroc_Z28

In terms of what could power the next Z28, a hopped up lt1 (think ls1 to ls6) could fit the bill nicely. From what i've seen Lingenfelter offer, a heads/cam/tune package can get the lt1 over 500 hp fairly easy. This is the package i'm referring to: http://www.lingenfelter.com/engine-p...cid-lt1-550-hp

The problem is emissions and mpg etc.

An ls1 is capable of well over 500 flywheel hp with a nice heads/cam package. Mine was a mild build with ported ls6 heads and a 228 cam and made 425rwhp.

The current lt1 can make over 600fwhp with a heads/cam package on pump gas depending on aggressiveness.
Think I've seen some builds already in the ~550 rwhp range. Heck even the ls3 was capable of around 530 rwhp.

[fradaj]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

The problem is emissions and mpg etc.

An ls1 is capable of well over 500 flywheel hp with a nice heads/cam package. Mine was a mild build with ported ls6 heads and a 228 cam and made 425rwhp.

The current lt1 can make over 600fwhp with a heads/cam package on pump gas depending on aggressiveness.
Think I've seen some builds already in the ~550 rwhp range. Heck even the ls3 was capable of around 530 rwhp.

This Hot Rod article shows what could be possible.

http://www.hotrod.com/how-to/engine/...-supercharger/

[VADER SS L99]

Originally Posted by newmoon

You sure do assume alot. Did you forget I owned a late model Camaro, I am not brand loyal whoever has the faster car gets my business? Did I like my 392 better than the SS and 5.0 yep I sure did, why because it was faster much faster.

The Camaro and Mustang weights were significantly less than the 392 but it still didn't matter it was a beat down. If Chevy wants to get me back into a Camaro it needs to ensure that it will not get beat everytime it lines up against its competitors whether on the street or strip. The 455-hp is a great start but lets see if its enough.

You showed your true colors with these posts. What if a GT500 or ZL1 owner said they liked their car much better than a SRT8 392 and it was a beat down in comparison? Just because mags tested the SRT8 against both the GT & SS doesn't mean it was in the same class/category. If they put the RT 5.7 in those comparisons it would have just been a slaughter and not such a good read.

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by fradaj

This Hot Rod article shows what could be possible.

http://www.hotrod.com/how-to/engine/...-supercharger/

Very nice. 700hp from the 427 stroker lt1.

I was just talking build it in your garage and run pump gas numbers. The things that make these chevy motors so amazing. No need to even stroke them or mess with the rotating assembly to get 600hp.

LS3 with off the shelf parts and pump gas is good for 500 + rwhp all day. LT1 looks to be doing the same or better and it has just begun. Like I said Ive seen some ~550 rwhp pump gas off the shelf heads/cam packages.

here is 525 rwhp cam only on an lt1 stingray...no heads

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by VADER SS L99

You showed your true colors with these posts. What if a GT500 or ZL1 owner said they liked their car much better than a SRT8 392 and it was a beat down in comparison? Just because mags tested the SRT8 against both the GT & SS doesn't mean it was in the same class/category. If they put the RT 5.7 in those comparisons it would have just been a slaughter and not such a good read.

If you want to rule out the SRT8 from this discussion that is fine I don't agree but I get it. You however do understand the the 392 ScatPack is an option for the R/T model correct? So please tell me why it shouldn't be compared with the SS/GT models.

If you don't like that I stated I preferred my Challenger over my SS and GT I don't know what else to say. Would I have traded my SRT8 for a auto ZL1 or a GT500 in a heartbeat.

[SpeedIsLife]

Originally Posted by newmoon

So please tell me why it shouldn't be compared with the SS/GT models.

People always try to create the most favorable position from which they can create comparison.

If Dodge considers the Scat Pack a R/T variant then I think it's fair to compare them with a GT/SS of similar price point.

Creating lopsided comparisons is wrong, no matter who does it.

"Yeah well the Boss 302 lost to the ZL1 so lolololol sucks to be Ford!"

"The GT350R beat the Camaro SS! Lolololol Chevy sucks"

See?

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by newmoon

If you want to rule out the SRT8 from this discussion that is fine I don't agree but I get it. You however do understand the the 392 ScatPack is an option for the R/T model correct? So please tell me why it shouldn't be compared with the SS/GT models.

http://www.dodge.com/en/challenger/model_details/

That's really a loaded question b/c based on Dodge's own marketing scheme, Scat Packs are separate models just like the Hellcat and SRT8 are listed right along the SXT, SXT Plus, RT, RT Plus, etc...

The reality, is you have to order a "Scat Pack", not tick an option box on the RT build sheet. At least based on their own website. Is it splitting hairs? Probably but I don't necessarily lump in the category with a 1SS or base GT. For one, you will be hard pressed to find one on a lot because Dodge has no interest in losing money on them sitting on a lot or really trying to build a lot. They just aren't as profitable as the RTs and SXTs.