10-21-2013, 10:48 AM | #71 | |
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10-21-2013, 01:56 PM | #72 | |
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If you own a ZL1 and appreciate the Z/28 for what it is, then you are obviously among the sophisticated :-) I like both cars for what they offer and their mission in life. As a high-performance street GT, the ZL1 is an incredible package, I've never said a negative comment about it. PS- posters talking about duking it out at stoplights (light to light) are being nicely referred to as a "knuckledragger". If all a person can do is brag about pressing the gas pedal in a straight line, that is pretty pathetic. I'd invite them to visit their local road-course and enter into a Time-Trial if they think they have skills aside from posting smack. Lap times talk, BS walks.
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10-21-2013, 02:08 PM | #73 |
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10-21-2013, 04:54 PM | #74 |
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You are basing this on actual projected times or just guessing? The post was supposed to have read tires and brakes. I was too lazy to change it after replies started in. We both know that the lap time would improve slightly with the addition of those two items. No physical way to beat the Z/28 time but improve on the original ZL1 time.
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10-21-2013, 05:17 PM | #75 | |
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Once again, the benefits of carbon ceramic rotors is: *No warping *No fade (unless you are mercilessly abusing them) *Consistent pedal pressure and feel from first lap to the last lap. *Reduced unsprung weight and rotating mass primarily benefiting handling feel, but also responsiveness to accelerating/braking (rotational responsiveness). So in this example, ZL1 vs Z/28 I'd agree with Backtotintops. The ZL1 by all accounts has stout durable brakes to begin with. As opposed to, let's say, a Mustang which has terrible (horrible, dreadful, pick the adjective) brakes OE. Now...a Mustang with CCB vs Iron rotors, that would make a huge difference on lap time because the stock brakes would quickly fade and the driver would have to compensate by running slower laps. PS- Calipers are the same for an iron vs CCB brake system, only the hat/friction disc is different. My reply is based on many years experience running carbon/ceramic or carbon/silicon/carbide brakes on track, and having installed these systems myself.
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10-21-2013, 05:19 PM | #76 | |
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...but I think "We both" do NOT know what you mean by "No physical way to beat the Z/28 time"...please explain. I think a 70 degree dry track surface might be a start. Why all the speculative adding in of all this stuff to the ZL1? You have a great car...enjoy it. I'm not even sure you can swap in the multimatics because I thought I read somewhere the pick up points were altered...might be wrong though. |
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10-22-2013, 12:40 AM | #77 | |
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I am enjoying my ZL1 and what I was attempting to say in an ass backwards way is that the Z/28 is lighter so it is going to be able to lap the Nurburgring quicker. I personally would just like to have as many choices as possible as far as choices of brake and tire choices for my ZL1. |
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10-22-2013, 12:50 AM | #78 | |
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Thanks for the reply. I was referencing them as being less prone to fade as you stated in your reply. Yes, I'm familiar with carbon ceramic and full carbon brake systems from having been invited into the MotoGP pits on several occasions. These are a picture I shot of the Tech 3 Yamaha rotors before install. Since you are familiar with the different systems, what do you think of these? The rotors and shocks alone are more costly than a Z/28. |
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10-22-2013, 08:16 AM | #79 | |
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10-22-2013, 12:03 PM | #80 |
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Strange I can see it in your reply? They are expensive, beautiful and super light.
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10-22-2013, 12:25 PM | #81 |
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Blocked by AdBlock, had to disable to see the pic, cool stuff!
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10-22-2013, 12:46 PM | #82 | |
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So how do these CCB stand up to daily driving? If I get a Z/28 im driving the crap out of it street and track (and a bonus the local road course is 5 min from my work desk) My anus puckers a little at seeing 4k for rotors. But then i also heard from ZR1 guys that these brakes if not abused will last the life of the car. Just takes some burnishing every so many miles. |
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10-22-2013, 04:11 PM | #83 | |
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I did forget that ceramic brakes usually have about 90% less black brake dust on wheels. That is a happy thing. 4k for a set of ceramic rotors is...dirt cheap. You are in another world of performance and the cost is commensurate. Carbon/Silicon/Carbide rotors which perform even better in any measure to ceramics run ~18k-21k a set and can go from car to car to car. Porsche PCCB rotors run $18k a set new and are inferior to the GM/Brembo rotors. They are both Brembo but two different methods of construction.
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10-23-2013, 08:08 AM | #84 |
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big thanks
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