08-08-2021, 01:16 AM | #15 |
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Haven’t done it yet. Lots of pretty blah reviews on Amazon. I have received it, and will give it a shot. I also have bead maker. I have griots ceramic speed shine, adams cs3. I don’t know enough about stacking all of this. At some point I need to start fresh. Think I can just wash and hit it with 303? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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08-08-2021, 03:00 AM | #16 | |
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That's what I did. I had a few layers of TW Flex Wax Graphene on the car, and all I did was wash it and applied 3 coats of the 303 Graphene about an hour apart. The car hasn't been washed in 2 weeks and while it looks dusty, you can still see the gloss and depth of the paint through the dust. When I first used it, I buffed it off BEFORE it hazed and I found out that was wrong, that you HAVE TO let it haze before buffing. That can and likely will lead to poor longevity - 303 even states that to a You Tuber who applied it incorrectly. I did it that way because with the TW products, that was the only way to apply the products without getting smears. Now with 3 coats (2 properly applied) the 303 Graphene is incredible.
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08-08-2021, 03:07 AM | #17 |
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Try the 303 since you already received it, if you don't like it, send it to me
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08-08-2021, 04:07 AM | #18 | |
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You had a true ceramic and the 303 is nothing more than a stout sealant.... not a “ceramic/graphene” coating at all. Just for sample sake say you had Cquartz UK 3.0 . It would have I believe 80% solids in it. The 303 won’t give you this “proprietary” info. Somewhere between 3-8%. Take the mentioned Adams Graphene. The make 3 versions. The don’t speak to solids but to resins. Advanced Graphene: 45% Standard Graphene 30% Graphene Spray Coating 7.5% The spray is nice and convenient but no where near the protection. The 303 may look nice but beading is weak. It will probably last you 3-7 months. If looking for comparable to your last I would recommend Cquartz UK3, the Full Adam’s coating. Easy to get and somewhat simple to use. I am going to coat my car with Nova NV evo. Great reviews and a single layer coating. I’ve use the Adam’s graphene spray coating and it is better than any Sio2 sealant (most called coatings because its a nice buzz word) but not near the quality of the coating you had. As for compounding i would not do it. Seems you have lite swirls so I would suggest just a polish. I like Griots BOSS correcting cream and finishing cream. In your case i would use CarPro (Cquartz parent company) Essence. It’s a primer polish that preps paint for a coating. I would use a Rupes or BOSS yellow pad. The have a little cut to them and finish out nice. As for the Dawn not needed and it’s debated weather it would break down a wax/sealant and would do nothing to your coating. Their are strip washes but not needed either. I use strip washes for coating maintenance. Me personally my process would look like: Wash with whatever soap you normally use. Use an iron remover (CP Iron X) Rinse. Clay (i like synthetic clay, griots BF) Rinse Polish Paint prep (CP Eraser, Gyeon Prep or Iso propyl mix) Coat. If your gonna take time to prep your paint I’d go true coating do get a 1-3 year realistic durability. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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08-08-2021, 11:09 PM | #19 |
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He's not wrong, no spray sealant no matter how good will hold up against a true, quality coating. But coatings need regular maintenance too, they aren't bullet-proof shields.
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08-09-2021, 01:50 AM | #20 |
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I'm of the school of thought of "Find something you like and use it often." This pearl of wisdom comes from Mike Phillips formerly of Meguiar's and the Auto Geek Forums, he's a detailing Guru of the highest caliber.
His philosophy is to frequently maintain in some form or another every car's finish, Ceramic/Graphene coated or not and by frequently maintaining your car's finish, it will always remain in top shape.
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08-10-2021, 12:15 AM | #21 |
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How to Tackle?
My cQuartz still beads fantastic. I have used Reload to maintain it and Elixr for quick touch ups after a wash. Been working well. Not sure what other “tests” there are I can do for my CQuartz coating but please share if there are others.
Likely will continue with this until my try coating “expires”. After a full detailed wash, there are no true swirls. My car recently transported (covered) from WA to AZ then sat in covered storage until I got down here and settled. I think my mind was just telling me to re do it all to start fresh bjt I think I’m still good. Have 303 on standby and new Adams store just opened in Scottsdale. Will likely take to them to see what they think next! (Incoming sales pitch, of course). Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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08-12-2021, 02:05 AM | #22 | |
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If anything then do a decon wash. Get an alkaline soap like Fenylab pure or Mckee’s coating prep soap. I use the Mckee’s Wash with the ALK soap then Iron X Then Eraser Then another wash. Top with Reload at that point. If no swirls and paints good I would top with Gyeon CanCoat or Cquartz lite to give it a real boost. Although not as stout as a coating lite the Adam’s graphene is a real nice product and beads similar to your Cquartz. I use it to maintain Gyeon CanCoat and TacSystems Moonlight. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Can you walk me through why it’d be necessary to do a decon wash? I just washed the car last night. Haven’t done anything further until today - was going to apply reload and then possibly the303 (don’t have adams on hand). I have ironX but do not have ALK soap and am unsure what eraser is? Isn’t that what is used prior to CQuartz? I don’t want to remove any of my current ceramic coating from CQuartz or are you saying this is what’s needed to further layer on top of my current CQuartz? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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I didn’t find a strip wash to affect my CQuartz UK3. It does effect waxes and sealants so it will remove all the toppers (reload/elixir) and get it down to bare coating. Also road film can build up and affect performance. The lower rockers behing front door didn’t have water behavior of the true coating and topping over the stubborn road film would mask it for a while. I found with the Decon wash it brought my coating performance back to almost brand new. Some people will do this with CP reset but for my I have found an alkaline “strip” soap to work best. After decon start fresh with the toppers. I use Polish Angel and Nova NV products as toppers now. Not a fan of reload but Elixir is nice. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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08-12-2021, 11:31 PM | #26 | |
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If you do decide to use the 303 (since you have it) I would recommend at least 2 coats, but no more than 3 (even 303 says more than 3 is wasting your time and product). And make sure to let it haze for about 5 minutes before removing.
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Thank you for taking the time to respond and explain - that all makes sense. So I will need to buy a few things jt looks like before I can tackle this. I’ll look for Mckee’s and buy some Eraser. I have Iron X in the stash along with reload, Elixr and 303. I’ll follow your steps below Wash with the ALK soap (McKees) then Iron X Then Eraser Then another wash. Then I’ll Top with Reload or Elixr (likely Elixr since you said didn’t like reload). at that point If no swirls and paints good Ill top woth 303 i have on hand and will look into either Gyeon CanCoat or Cquartz lite per your recommendations. Sound about right? I’m in Phoenix and have to really time around the heat as I know most of all of this doesn’t like to be applied in the kind of heat we’re getting here in August. May need to hold off until September or am I over thinking that? Thanks again! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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08-13-2021, 06:54 PM | #28 | |
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Use the elixer or the 303.... shouldnt need both. If your thinking of boosting it with a ceramic lite product i would wait and decon wash right before and top with that. Then top the ceramic lite with either 303, Elixer or reload. In this case i would actually use reload because a sacrificial layer is what it was made for. If you have it, use it. It’s just that their are better products out there. And to note i’m not a pro but detailing is my hobby. I had cquartzUK 3.0 and this is the method i used in my car. I performed several of these washes in the 20 months i had the coating topped with CaCoat once. Most of this info i got from the Autogeek Forum. Good source for great information. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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