New photos: Camaro Z28 Testing Against GT500

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by Topdown

Ok, this may get me flamed or banned or just trashed... but if GM cant (or wont?) manage to just flat-out drop the hammer on the Mustang with this car... I am going to be so insanely disappointed and ashamed its not even funny.

The 6.2L has so much more available than GM is utilizing its not even funny... I can understand coming out with a car thats neck and neck "for the masses" but the Z28 isnt that car, the SS is... the Z28 has the ability to finally SLAM the door on the GT500.

a supercharged version of the Lxx motor should be able to put out viper-killing power... 650hp, as MANY of the C5 community knows already, is fairly easy to reach with these motors.

Come on General... we Camaro faithful have been losing this battle to the poontangs long enough! You made a car that looks like it should whoop some serious ass, and for all accounts, it does... but its time to stop JUST clearing the hurdles, blow this one out of the freakin water!

In a perfect world that would be great ,but you have to remember that in order to compete with the GT500 they must be in the same ball park when it comes to price. This in the end will dictate how much performance it gets.

[Sax1031]

Originally Posted by Topdown

Ok, this may get me flamed or banned or just trashed... but if GM cant (or wont?) manage to just flat-out drop the hammer on the Mustang with this car... I am going to be so insanely disappointed and ashamed its not even funny.

The 6.2L has so much more available than GM is utilizing its not even funny... I can understand coming out with a car thats neck and neck "for the masses" but the Z28 isnt that car, the SS is... the Z28 has the ability to finally SLAM the door on the GT500.

a supercharged version of the Lxx motor should be able to put out viper-killing power... 650hp, as MANY of the C5 community knows already, is fairly easy to reach with these motors.

Come on General... we Camaro faithful have been losing this battle to the poontangs long enough! You made a car that looks like it should whoop some serious ass, and for all accounts, it does... but its time to stop JUST clearing the hurdles, blow this one out of the freakin water!

The Z28 doesn't have the ability to slam the door on the GT500.

If you were to buy a 2011 GT500 today you could take it to your ford dealer, buy the super pack and have it installed, and leave the dealership with 660hp and your warranty still intact. And this has been going on for years now.

[GTAHVIT]

Robin, Really???

Stock tranny rearend and halfshafts??? Manual right?

[motorhead]

I really wish people would leave mods out of this. That only proves how much money someone has. Factory HP is why this car is so important to me. I already have a camaro with a Maggie ,but it's not the same bragging rights as factory HP.

[8cd03gro]

Originally Posted by radz28

I don't know... I have a feeling getting close to 700 FWHP in LSA wouldn't be that far of a stretch. Look how much power many people here are pushing through their L99/LS3s; I believe LSA has another good 150 horse' before there's much to worry about. It already has good gaskets, oil squirters, and fuel system (among many other improvements not shared with LS3/L99) so, at least for me, 700 would be just fine. I'm looking for 550 through 600 at the tire, and if LSA can get me there will a little tuning and a couple bolt-ons, WOO HOO!!! At least you still have a fast STi, lol. The only thing my 4Runner is good at is some light off-roading

I expect Z28 should handle better than the GT500; there's no reason in my mind why it shouldn't. Whether-or-not that happens is out of my control, but I'm pretty sure we can all bank on that. I know the 5th Gen I rode in with just coil overs and sway bars stuck to the road like stink on sh*t.

Oh, I know the lsa is capable, but you have to think in terms of mass production. Tunes can't be even close to as aggressive as aftermarket because the car has to run perfect in Denver and Florida. It's got to handle being beat on, repeatedly for a hundred thousand miles plus, per GM warranty. It would be very tough for GM to bump output to 700hp with the current lsa and maintain warranty. There's a reason the ls9 exists and it's making "only" 640hp. I agree with you on the z28's handling, but the gt500's handling is good, VERY good. It handles right with the base vette. If the z28 does handle better, it won't be by much. I would be willing to be we will see the same perormance difference between the z28 and gt500 that we see between the 5.0 and ss. . . almost nothing.


LOL Robin, I see what you did there. Left the little detail about the LSA out. So you have an engine swap with bolt ons. Sounds bad ass. Are you the only one with an LSA camaro currently?

[Robin Lawrence]

Originally Posted by GTAHVIT

Robin, Really???

Stock tranny rearend and halfshafts??? Manual right?

Stock rear end and half shafts, changed the tranny to a 4L80E.


Robin

[shank0668]

Originally Posted by Robin Lawrence

Stock rear end and half shafts, changed the tranny to a 4L80E.


Robin

Automatic What are we PQ?

[Robin Lawrence]

The best scenerio would be to build the Z28 with off the shelf CTS-V parts. Make it less money than the GT500. With the ability to mod the car to a 150 horsepower increase people will buy the car.

So what you don't have a warranty, too many people beating the crap out of their cars and expecting someone else to pick up the tab.

Those who want the warranty intact won't mod the cars.

Robin

[bobby35ny]

Originally Posted by Robin Lawrence

They will need to step up the power in the LSA if they want to hang with the GT500. It's all about power to weight numbers. When the math is done the GT 500 is quicker.

I think that with some cam and exhaust changes the LSA would close the gap. I also think that it would hold up very well. The idea is to keep the costs down so that the business case doesn't get blown out of whack. Lok at the Challanger, you can't give the SRT Challangers away.

The brakes from a CTS-V is a natural. No new tooling and it keeps the costs down.

Remember they are in business to make money, not build your dream car for a 20,000 loss LOL

Robin

Ahh finally, someone who agrees with me. 556hp is not going to do it. What we REALLY should keep an eye on is the 2012 CTSV, If they up the HP on the LSA it will probably show up on the CTS-V first.. So we should keep an eye out for LSA changes.
-Bobby

[lil_chef]

god i hope they go with better tires after all the criticism the GT500 has gotten....... Doesn't the CTS-V get PS2 s?

[bobby35ny]

Originally Posted by Robin Lawrence

I am making 700 with bolt ons. Ran a best of 10.76 with all stock rear end components.



Robin

Automatic?
-Bobby

[Robin Lawrence]

Originally Posted by 8cd03gro

LOL Robin, I see what you did there. Left the little detail about the LSA out. So you have an engine swap with bolt ons. Sounds bad ass. Are you the only one with an LSA camaro currently?

Haha, well fogive me, I thought that everyone knew that I was the LSA 2010 Camaro poster child

My posts come from actually having the engine in my Camaro that may end up in the Z28.

Since I heard the rumors we thought it would be cool to get one in a Camaro.

The automatic was an attempt to solve some of the problems involved with the high horsepower builds. The 6060 and the 6L80 leave a little bit to be desired when trying to make more power. At the time there were no gears available and the 4L80E allowed us to get the power to the ground without killing the trans or rear end.

Robin

[Bewenched]

I see another Camaro entering our family. My husband's been waiting on this for so long.

[TaylorRyanSS]

Can't wait to see the production model!