2013 Hemi 6.4 vs SS A6 with mods

[VADER SS L99]

Originally Posted by LEADfoot927

I agree with your point, but I quoted where it said the exact same dyno. It would be an interesting match-up, but as others said the 6.4 never came in lime green, so the OP encountered and ollder charger with unknown mods.

I was speaking about the OP's car vs the SRT in that article. Would not be surprised if the difference was that much stock to stock.

When I had almost the same mods as the OP, except a smaller cam and no gears, I was running a better ET and trap speed on the same night than a 6.4 Challenger that was trailered on slicks and skinnies. Unknown mods on the SRT other than it was a 392 with drag wheels and tires. That's not a roll race of course but still. If the OP lost to a stock 392 with his mods then there is something wrong with his car.

[LEADfoot927]

Originally Posted by VADER SS L99

I was speaking about the OP's car vs the SRT in that article. Would not be surprised if the difference was that much stock to stock.

When I had almost the same mods as the OP, except a smaller cam and no gears, I was running a better ET and trap speed on the same night than a 6.4 Challenger that was trailered on slicks and skinnies. Unknown mods on the SRT other than it was a 392 with drag wheels and tires. That's not a roll race of course but still. If the OP lost to a stock 392 with his mods then there is something wrong with his car.

His car may be better on the 1/4 mile then in high speed. Some cars are that way. For example take a GTR and GT500 and line them up in the 1/4 mile. The GTR would destroy the GT500. Now line them up on a highway roll. The GT500 would walk the GTR. The 392 is crazy on the top end. It is my first car I own that throws me back in my seat and goes sideway at 80 mph. I had an M3, L99 and Ls3 and nothing feels close at the high speeds.

[Bad70supreme]

Really did your ls3 have a H/C setup! Please come to chi town with a stock 392 and show me how it's done! My buddy has a 392 with a cold air and car back, pretty sure I know how the outcome is gonna play out. Some of you guys are freaking clueless!

[LEADfoot927]

Originally Posted by Bad70supreme

Really did your ls3 have a H/C setup! Please come to chi town with a stock 392 and show me how it's done! My buddy has a 392 with a cold air and car back, pretty sure I know how the outcome is gonna play out. Some of you guys are freaking clueless!

Im sure you would smoke me I have a low 12 second car but im not a 12 second driver lol.

Im just sayin the 392 is a beast, and a super bee recently ran an 11.9 with just tires, very close to your times. Many in the 11's with just tires and tune. All comes down to the driver. I was thinking of the LMR slayer cam package when I had my LS3 but the baby came to had get some thing bigger. And A superbee for $41k an offer I couldnt pass.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by Bad70supreme

Really did your ls3 have a H/C setup! Please come to chi town with a stock 392 and show me how it's done! My buddy has a 392 with a cold air and car back, pretty sure I know how the outcome is gonna play out. Some of you guys are freaking clueless!

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Bad, you now have a very modified SS, with a aftermarket TH400 transmission and also a performance converter, DRs, Cam, LTs, Tune, and more that I am missing. You are comparing your setup to a bone stock 392 on 255 series street tires. Prior to your transmission swap your car was not much quicker in the 1/4 than my stock 392, all the cash in my LS3 and it was only 2-tenths quicker. Your performance came from the transmission swap as we expected it would , and I am sure there is more in your combination.

To simply dismiss the 392 is a bad idea, ask the 5.0 crowd. I understand your 392 locally is not much of a challenge but that is not the case everywhere. As I stated it took me several trips to the track running high 12s to figure out how to launch the car correctly and every pass after that was 12:50s or better.

My cammed Camaro was all 1/4 mile and did not have the pull my 392 did up top and my Camaro had 440 rwhp. The fact that this car hung with a ZL1 sporting 90-hp/90-tq more than it in a top speed run is a great indication at how well the 392s combination works.

[Bad70supreme]

A well setup SS, H/C stalled auto like OP has is a low 11 sec with 120+ traps
Stock 329 is a mid 12 car at 112-113

At what point does the 392 gain enough ground to even come close to passing the camaro. A highway pull is normally 50 to 120-140 at the most. Even if the 392 still had higher top speed, by the time it gets there the camaro has won.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by Bad70supreme

A well setup SS, H/C stalled auto like OP has is a low 11 sec with 120+ traps
Stock 329 is a mid 12 car at 112-113

At what point does the 392 gain enough ground to even come close to passing the camaro. A highway pull is normally 50 to 120-140 at the most. Even if the 392 still had higher top speed, by the time it gets there the camaro has won.

From a dig his Camaro would surely destroy the 392, but this race was run from a roll where the Ops combination may not be ideal. Years ago when I was running my stalled C4 347ci Stang it was an absolute dog from a roll and got beat by much slower cars, yet it was capable of 11:20s at the strip on motor.

[SGOS252382]

Originally Posted by Bad70supreme

If you think a stock 392 is keeping up with a well setup H/C camaro there is nothing more I need to even say.

The only way a H/C Camaro SS is getting pulled by a 392 is if the Camaro is screwed up in some way (horrible tune, tranny issues, etc).

And for the top speed thing (which is rarely ever needed), Several magazines got a bone stock Camaro SS up to 172 - 173 mph with the speed limiter removed (no motor tune - just limiter removed).


My friends run 11.5s @ 118 mph all day long with their basic H/C setups. In excellent DA conditions who knows what they'd run. I've yet to see them run in anything colder than 75 degree weather.

[Bad70supreme]

I was just reading on mopar forum, guy with a
392 posted that he got pulled by a car and a half by a Bolton M6 SS. Even had a video of run, I didn't watch the video though. Not the only time I have heard of a Bolton camaro pulling a 392. So how a H/C camaro would not destroy this car is beyond me.

[FINALLYSATISFIED]

It is hard to tell because your car isnt stock. Stock you will most likely lose to an SRT8. Even my 300 SRT8 will have the upper hand in the LS3/L99 battle. Extremely close in the 1/4 times. It would be a drivers race, 300 posts 4.5 secs 0-60 and 13 flat in quarter while SS manual has 4.7 and 13.4 in quarter. Your car isn't stock so who knows, my 300 is stock. My SRT feels faster than the SS in every aspect.

[Bad70supreme]

My SS ran 13.0 stock, were the hell did you get 13.4? Many have run 12s stock. I know what a H/C camaro should run if it is setup right and a 392 has no freaking chance. Bolton l99s are running 11s now and I just pulled 2 cars on a cts V coupe.. Pretty sure a V is faster then a 392 and I am running a baby cam and don't even have a real intake on my car. If I had head and big cam, game over! My th400 trans is a slush box and under geard compared to the A6 in the l99.