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70 COPO · 12-26-2008, 08:41 PM

I would have to agree with you IF you are GM and all you want to do is sell cars without regard to what you said, showed, or indicated would be offered when deposits were placed.

The people who feel strongly about this simply want GM to keep its commitment to do what it said - and offer the specified content on the car.

If not then those who have money on pre orders need to have communication so decisions can be made. GM can end this right now by informing stakeholders of the status of the car.

GM is not giving me a loaded 2SS I am paying for it. Many here act like GM is doing us a favor by building the car. IMO....That kind of thinking will be bad for GM.

zebra · 12-26-2008, 09:07 PM

i believe that when the point of no return comes, they will tell us one way or the other. with 8 weeks left til production, they've still got time to keep working on it & who knows, maybe they'll get it fixed in time & let us know. if it's still a work-in-progress and there's no way to have it installed in the first runs, i'd imagine they'll let us know that too so the ones who have to have it can delay their orders & still get the car they want

35th02ss · 12-26-2008, 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bullitt

Kinda funny how he has nothing to say about this even though it's obviously a major concern for many. So I'll just say what he's said all along, "keep the faith".

That seemed to pacify everyone for the last couple of years.

He'll Chime in when he has the chance.

*GTAHVIT* · 12-26-2008, 09:40 PM

Look I understand that GM's original intent was to have ABL in the car at SORP. And if they can't, I'm sure there will be adequate compensation.

I'm also understanding of those that will cancel or delay an order if ABL is not available.

But, I think we are loosing sight of the fact that this is a new car from the ground up. Save the Engines and tranny's this car is completely new. And ABL is exclusive to the Camaro. The intent is that we'd get it first. I don't see ABL as a deal breaker, and I don't think it's worth delaying the car and postponing income that GM desperately needs.

Also, lets not forget that we've had more information made available to us sooner than any other car in GM's history. With that comes a bit of a trade off in that what we hear early on may not come to pass as complications arise.

So, I'm asking that we keep some realistic perspective and expectations. For those that don't like the way GM is handling it, I say you've done a good job and making your position known. Lets see what GM does and go from there. If you feel the best way to make your voice heard is to cancel your order then so be it.

At this point, all I ask is that we avoid beating the dead horse...

35th02ss · 12-26-2008, 10:00 PM

I can understand what alot are saying, and trust me I've had the same feelings as you when I orderd my 35th SS. The price was not correct, turned out to be more than advertised. Long and short GM made it right for the people that had signed contracts.

With the understanding that I have now of the auto business, maybe more than most. I know some of what is going into the development of a car or truck and the set backs that occur. This could have passed a million times in testing and failed once. GM will not let any part fail.

I have every faith that GM will make this right. I hope that all this is just a precaution and ABL will be on the cars that get it. If it's not on the car than I would think GM would make it up to us.

Lets just wait until we hear from someone that really knows. We all know what assuming means. If you don't ask someone thats in the armed forces........

SilverTurtle · 12-26-2008, 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 35th02ss

I can understand what alot are saying, and trust me I've had the same feelings as you when I orderd my 35th SS. The price was not correct, turned out to be more than advertised. Long and short GM made it right for the people that had signed contracts.

With the understanding that I have now of the auto business, maybe more than most. I know some of what is going into the development of a car or truck and the set backs that occur. This could have passed a million times in testing and failed once. GM will not let any part fail.

I have every faith that GM will make this right. I hope that all this is just a precaution and ABL will be on the cars that get it. If it's not on the car than I would think GM would make it up to us.

Lets just wait until we hear from someone that really knows. We all know what assuming means. If you don't ask someone thats in the armed forces........

and I, too, know alot about how things are done in the development of a car... being a mechanical engineer probably helps that... and I'm praying that something is done if the ABL isn't on the car... and I pray that something is said before this gets out to other sites and spreads like wildfire across the internet.

Speedfreak · 12-27-2008, 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott@Bjorn3D

Seems like this issue is buried in several threads. I think we need to voice here where GM can see it.

I myself will keep my order. I wanted this car since 2006 and it is not a deal breaker.

Any moron who would cancel an order cause of this is not a true enthusiest and should just go get a prius and a pink ribbon

70 COPO · 12-27-2008, 05:57 PM

Moderation needed....

Rodrunner · 12-27-2008, 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Speedfreak

Any moron who would cancel an order cause of this is not a true enthusiest and should just go get a prius and a pink ribbon

It's enthusiast, mor......no I won't go there.

*GTAHVIT* · 12-27-2008, 06:47 PM

This thread is getting close to closure....

Consider this the last warning.

Don't let it get personal...

StoutFiles · 12-27-2008, 06:53 PM

Quote:

Any moron who would cancel an order cause of this is not a true enthusiest and should just go get a prius and a pink ribbon

Camaro fans alone will NOT keep this car afloat. GM has to make this car appeal to all sorts of people or else there won't be any future Camaros. If GM makes claims and doesn't deliver on those claims, then people have the right to move to a different automaker. Cars are expensive and because of that Camaro heritage appeals to the minority of the purchases right now.

Tantalizer43 · 12-27-2008, 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gtahvit

This thread is getting close to closure....

Consider this the last warning.

Don't let it get personal...

I say go for it. There is almost nothing constructive in this thread anymore.

We should support each others concerns and keep our fingers crossed!

Numero_uno · 12-27-2008, 07:34 PM

Well I wouldn't cancel my order, that's for sure. If the ABL simply got delayed, then I would delay my order till the ABL became available.

On the other hand, if this is indeed a brand new technology that GM just can't seem to get right at all, I don't see them cancelling the ABL altogether, only simply using existing technology that is already in existing GM vehicles.

My 2 cents...

johnebgoode · 12-27-2008, 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Speedfreak

Any moron who would cancel an order cause of this is not a true enthusiest and should just go get a prius and a pink ribbon

Gotta love this guy..........

12-26-2008, 09:07 PM	#212
zebra just can't seem to leave Drives: your mom wild!! Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: cold & windy Posts: 10,625 View My Garage	i believe that when the point of no return comes, they will tell us one way or the other. with 8 weeks left til production, they've still got time to keep working on it & who knows, maybe they'll get it fixed in time & let us know. if it's still a work-in-progress and there's no way to have it installed in the first runs, i'd imagine they'll let us know that too so the ones who have to have it can delay their orders & still get the car they want __________________ Eve ('00 FRC): hot-air intake Rowan ('09 H3): 5spd mom-mobile Penny ('99 Sierra): 5.3 / HD 5spd... gone but not forgotten Samson ('18 HD): compounded 408

12-26-2008, 09:40 PM	#214
GTAHVIT Blessed Drives: 2013 Sonic RS MT Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Saint Augustine FL Posts: 28,444 View My Garage	Look I understand that GM's original intent was to have ABL in the car at SORP. And if they can't, I'm sure there will be adequate compensation. I'm also understanding of those that will cancel or delay an order if ABL is not available. But, I think we are loosing sight of the fact that this is a new car from the ground up. Save the Engines and tranny's this car is completely new. And ABL is exclusive to the Camaro. The intent is that we'd get it first. I don't see ABL as a deal breaker, and I don't think it's worth delaying the car and postponing income that GM desperately needs. Also, lets not forget that we've had more information made available to us sooner than any other car in GM's history. With that comes a bit of a trade off in that what we hear early on may not come to pass as complications arise. So, I'm asking that we keep some realistic perspective and expectations. For those that don't like the way GM is handling it, I say you've done a good job and making your position known. Lets see what GM does and go from there. If you feel the best way to make your voice heard is to cancel your order then so be it. At this point, all I ask is that we avoid beating the dead horse... __________________ Click image to see build thread. PQ - "the love of cars. It's a boys first step toward manhood and a mans last hold on boyhood." Fbodfather - "We do not want to use the Z28 moniker on a car that does not deserve this hallowed name." The_Blur - "Let's not confuse competitors with equals."

12-27-2008, 06:47 PM	#220
GTAHVIT Blessed Drives: 2013 Sonic RS MT Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Saint Augustine FL Posts: 28,444 View My Garage	This thread is getting close to closure.... Consider this the last warning. Don't let it get personal... __________________ Click image to see build thread. PQ - "the love of cars. It's a boys first step toward manhood and a mans last hold on boyhood." Fbodfather - "We do not want to use the Z28 moniker on a car that does not deserve this hallowed name." The_Blur - "Let's not confuse competitors with equals."

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12-26-2008, 08:41 PM	#211
70 COPO Banned Drives: Multiple Camaro's Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Chillicothe, Ohio Posts: 134	I would have to agree with you IF you are GM and all you want to do is sell cars without regard to what you said, showed, or indicated would be offered when deposits were placed. The people who feel strongly about this simply want GM to keep its commitment to do what it said - and offer the specified content on the car. If not then those who have money on pre orders need to have communication so decisions can be made. GM can end this right now by informing stakeholders of the status of the car. GM is not giving me a loaded 2SS I am paying for it. Many here act like GM is doing us a favor by building the car. IMO....That kind of thinking will be bad for GM.

12-26-2008, 10:00 PM	#215
35th02ss Drives: 02 SS Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Wallops Island, VA Posts: 760 View My Garage	I can understand what alot are saying, and trust me I've had the same feelings as you when I orderd my 35th SS. The price was not correct, turned out to be more than advertised. Long and short GM made it right for the people that had signed contracts. With the understanding that I have now of the auto business, maybe more than most. I know some of what is going into the development of a car or truck and the set backs that occur. This could have passed a million times in testing and failed once. GM will not let any part fail. I have every faith that GM will make this right. I hope that all this is just a precaution and ABL will be on the cars that get it. If it's not on the car than I would think GM would make it up to us. Lets just wait until we hear from someone that really knows. We all know what assuming means. If you don't ask someone thats in the armed forces........

12-27-2008, 05:57 PM	#218
70 COPO Banned Drives: Multiple Camaro's Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Chillicothe, Ohio Posts: 134	Moderation needed....

12-27-2008, 07:34 PM	#223
Numero_uno Drives: Nissan Altima Join Date: May 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 39	Well I wouldn't cancel my order, that's for sure. If the ABL simply got delayed, then I would delay my order till the ABL became available. On the other hand, if this is indeed a brand new technology that GM just can't seem to get right at all, I don't see them cancelling the ABL altogether, only simply using existing technology that is already in existing GM vehicles. My 2 cents...