07-24-2011, 07:40 PM | #477 |
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Ok so when I rented the V6 and heard this noise I thought it was someone who rented it just beat on the car hard. This is a common problem. Ok so I should be looking at a different car. The problem hasn't be acknowledged by GM. Well this kind of sux.
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07-24-2011, 07:49 PM | #478 | |
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07-27-2011, 03:31 PM | #479 |
BLOWN!!!
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I know this has been hashed to death but, I Just got word from my dealer that everything appears normal! They have checked bolts and bushing. However, they can hear the clunk but GM doesnt have a fix as of yet.
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07-29-2011, 06:58 AM | #480 |
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Hmmm. I've been reading/lurking these forums for the past couple months. I was actually looking at the Camaro reviews on Edmunds website where someone referred to this site, with all the people with the same problems. Needless to say, I'm going to wait on purchasing a Camaro for now. I'll use that 30 grand I have and maybe buy myself a used Lexus or something. We'll see...
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07-29-2011, 12:06 PM | #481 |
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Lets just say on the VERY conservative side there are ONLY 100,000 Camaro owners. There are 48,000 members in this forum. There are now, including this post, 508 posts in this thread. Most of those that have posted in this thread have posted numerous times, but lets just say there are 508 posts from 508 Camaro owners. Do the math and tell me there is a reaspon not to buy a Camaro based on this thread.
As a Camaro enthusiast and a Camaro owner I can tell you mine did not make any noise except for a wicked exhaust note created by headers, a blower, 568 RWHP and cut outs. Not a single suspension noise. Not one. The driving experience in a bone stock Camaro is excellant. If there were a defective part in the front suspension I would already be making a replacement and selling it on this forum. There is no defect, so there are no replacement parts to correct the noise. Go drive a Camaro SS at your local Chevy Dealer. Make your own decision based on what you feel, see and hear. For what it is worth, I have my ZL1 on order. It will be my second 5th Gen. I don't expect it to make any noise in the front suspension. Now with my LPE pulley and tune I do expect a nasty exhuast note and 600 at the wheels. |
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07-29-2011, 02:53 PM | #484 | |
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Next time you are in Houston, let me know. We'll go for a ride in my Camaro and you can sit there and listen to the clunk when I go over speed bumps and uneven pavement joints.
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07-29-2011, 03:34 PM | #485 | |
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With the exception of a handful of early production vehicles (upper insulator change out) the rest have been fixed on the spot with an impact gun and some grunt behind a couple of wrenches. If you can make the trip out here, I'll meet you at my Fredericksburg Pedders Dealer. We'll go over your front end and make your noise go away by making everything tight to my standards. I have posted a checklist for this. It just takes some time to work through. You can watch the process, take pictures and or video. It ain't a rocket science fix. I'll pay for the shop time. We just need to get you here to Heath's shop during the week. NOTE: There are a large number of C6 members that have posted in this thread with noises AND aftermarket parts. Installing aftermarket parts requires the disassembly of the OE parts. Those with aftermarket parts should be in a separate thread or make it abundantly clear in their posts. Camaro Front End Noise Correction Inspection -- Determine if the upper spring insulator is black rubber or beige urethane. Inspection -- If it is black rubber and partially displaced, replace it with the updated steel and urethane insulator. Inspection -- Is there any damage to any of the front end components. Inspection -- If available test drive with chassis ears in place to identify the source. If chassis ears are not available complete the 9 Steps listed here. 1. With the weight of the car on the wheels, remove the strut retaining nut and plate. 2. Burp the exposed strut assembly nut tight with the biggest baddest air gun in the shop. TQ is the key. We need a sudden acceleration of the nut to make it tight. 3. Reinstall the strut retaining plate and strut retaining nut. Tighten with the same over kill air gun for the same reasons. 4. Hit the strut clevis bolts with the same gun. 5. Hit the endlink nuts with the same monster gun. Don't do it by hand. Crank them down. 6. Get a wrench and all three ball joint nuts. Make them mechanic tight. 7. Crank down the radius arm nut and bolt to the same standard. Mechanic tight. 8. Get a socket on the sway bar strap nuts and make them mechanic tight. 9. Hit all four steering rack bolts and make them mechanic tight. The 5th Gen Camaro is a ZETA II front end. We have seen issues with the G8 in the USA and the Commodore in AU. Chevrolet addressed those issues with large more robust ball joints and studs. Pontiac has addressed them with a TSB to replace the LCA and radius arms. There is NO issue with those components on the Camaro. Replacing the arms on G8s does not eliminate the noise because there were additional sources. Those sources are what appear to be tight to spec nuts on ball joints, endlinks, steering rack mounts, clevis bolts and strut mounting hardware. (The Camaro strut mount is different from the G8, but similar in that it has two nuts one below and one above the strut mount). Tightening the bolts is the key to resolving front end noises. What makes it tough for the DYI is lack of access to a high volume high pressure air supply to power a rattle gun. |
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07-29-2011, 03:49 PM | #486 |
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Pete you and I have talked about this before. i get kind of a creaking, if you will, when I go over a speed bump in the front end of the car. You informed me of 'burping' the top strut bolt. The problem I have is the nut seems buried in there and I can't get a good grip with the socket. What to do...what to do...
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07-29-2011, 03:53 PM | #487 |
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24mm deeep well socket.
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07-29-2011, 03:56 PM | #488 |
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I know that, lol. No, I mean I don't see but just a bit of the side of the nut. Like it's buried in the rubber insulator. I see your steps above and guess this is a problem point you guys are replacing.
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07-29-2011, 04:37 PM | #489 |
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Please post a picture of the assembly with the retaining plate removed.
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07-29-2011, 05:05 PM | #490 |
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got my stuff at work.....so what's 20 minutes, right? Here you go! Both were loose. Tightened "mechanic" tight. Will have to wait to bump them with the impact.
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