ZL1 QC Hold Extension "mega"-Thread - Page 102 - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums

Fenderaddict2 · 03-20-2012, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenBear

What information exactly would you suggest that GM release regarding the QC hold?

GM has nothing to do with dealers charging ADM, and is, in fact, prohibited by law to set the price at which a dealer can sell a vehicle.

North of the border, dealers are free to charge an ADM, but they are limited to the percent of MSRP they can charge. I'll need to check with my wife, who was a car sales woman to find the exact amount but I believe it was a maximum of 15%.

Z4MB · 03-20-2012, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by htg39

Didn't realize that this Thread has been on going ad nauseum, because I was out of the loop dealing with my Wife's Passing........Sorry about Repeating the Thread......Harvey

Harvey, my thoughts and prayers are with you on your loss.

I went through it six years ago and my heart goes out to you and your family.

GoldenBear · 03-20-2012, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Fenderaddict2

North of the border, dealers are free to charge an ADM, but they are limited to the percent of MSRP they can charge. I'll need to check with my wife, who was a car sales woman to find the exact amount but I believe it was a maximum of 15%.

I was, of course, referring to dealers in the U.S. where mark up is not limited and dealers are free to charge whatever mark up they can get.

rrubio · 03-20-2012, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by OldScoolCamaro

I say drop the hammer on 'em. I feel badly for all the GM employee's from the front line saleman up through customer service, district, and even higher level ranks I imagine who have to contend with, respond to, and tolerate this incessant shameful display of impatience, lack of decorum, and outright childish behavior. Those partcipating in it are giving US, the Camaro and Chevrolet Community a black eye. This is a public board for everyone to read. Someone posted recently how the other car manufacturer boards are getting a kick out of this nonsense. I trust the flagrant complainers are proud of themselves. There is no justification in it. A long time ago I was told a phrase..."if you don't have anything nice to say, say nothing at all". Yeah, that phrase is dated as all heck...but..there is hidden truth in it. Those dissaproving of this counterproductive behavior are being patient, but patience wears thin and can reach the tipping point when the drone of nonstop, often vitrioloc, rhetoric persists unabated. Give it a break please. Some here are serving no legitimate purpose by posting constantly in a demeaning "it's all about me" manner. Oh yes...you have a right...I know...but so do we. A two way street. Like a flake recently said here...they better make mine perfect...or else. That sums it up. Try pulling this on one of the other car boards and you will get run off so quick you won't even know what hit you. There's nothing being touchy about this...it's the proverbial broken record...the Chinese have a saying "death by a thousand cuts". I hope this Groundhog Day ends soon...and common sense prevails. That's my 2 cents worth and all I'm going to say about it until the cows come home. In the immortal words of Foghorn Leghorn, I present you this truism.......

b_williams_82 · 03-20-2012, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by BigDogZL1

Talked to my Dealer who just spoke with the zone rep. He told me it was a supplier issue not a car issue. And all 5 of his orders are still marked preliminary. I'm 2nd priority and he thinks it will be June before my order gets built. They are combining all of the orders together and building them all at once. Placed order 1st week in Feb still at 1102

I placed my order way back in October and it was put into the system on the first day when ordering was available and I'm still at 1100!!

PQ · 03-20-2012, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by htg39

Didn't realize that this Thread has been on going ad nauseum, because I was out of the loop dealing with my Wife's Passing........Sorry about Repeating the Thread......Harvey

:( Damn. Sorry to here that.

htg39 · 03-20-2012, 05:36 PM

I just wanted to Thank Everybody for there kind Condolences in regards to my Wife's Passing......Its appreciated-----------------its Tuff but I just deal with each day....Thanks again...Harvey

OVRKLL · 03-20-2012, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Fenderaddict2

North of the border, dealers are free to charge an ADM, but they are limited to the percent of MSRP they can charge. I'll need to check with my wife, who was a car sales woman to find the exact amount but I believe it was a maximum of 15%.

Here in the middle of the Pacific, a certain Dealer (I don't want to mention any names or JN Chevrolet may get a bad name) wanted $20k over MSRP.
I almost fell off my chair laughing...shook his hand and said have a nice day!

Then again, if idiot people are willing to pay that amount, they'll continue to ask for it.

Mrose · 03-20-2012, 06:00 PM

I too have had an order placed last year and money down for over a year now ! I was suposed to have mine built this month. :( Not happy with how long its taken to get a 2012. Plus that said it will be a year old in july when the new model year starts!!!!!! But at least I am getting one this summer i hope.

piepouli · 03-20-2012, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Max536

Mine was moved as well. It was supposed to be built March 7 which was the week the delay started but it has been moved to April 9. This sucks

mine was March 12 now May 7, as of last week,

Happy_Dan · 03-20-2012, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by htg39

I just wanted to Thank Everybody for there kind Condolences in regards to my Wife's Passing......Its appreciated-----------------its Tuff but I just deal with each day....Thanks again...Harvey

Harvey, I am very sorry to hear this. I will say a prayer for her and for you this evening. Best wishes.

fiascoes1 · 03-20-2012, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Z4MB

I will take 1 of 1000 or 2000 any day in the 2012 model over a 2013 no matter how many they make. The VIN numbers already reflect the MY code as do all the body parts, the cars are already built, the defect will soon be corrected and we all hope to have our cars by the end of Spring. The longer production is halted the fewer 2012s will be made unless they push real hard through May. We will all be in a unique category as owners of the 2012. Yes we will suffer early depreciation and if that is an issue for anyone that does not intend to keep it over 5-7 years then they might consider a 2013..... but you only gain one year's depreciation, nothing else. Still might be better to have a 2012..... Certainly a more interesting "story" to tell!

+1 well said Mike!

Zedder · 03-20-2012, 06:41 PM

Reliable source close to the plant: issue is a chip in the BCM...supplier is in Japan...6 - 8 weeks to rectify....for what it's worth

On a more important note, I'm very sorry to hear about the passing of your wife Harvey.

Lonny Doyle · 03-20-2012, 06:43 PM

I work in the aerospace industry, every part I machine has a paper trail for trace ability. I am sure this is also true with automobiles.

It is possible that during QC it was discovered that something was made from the wrong material and they are having to replace these components.

It could also be that some of the fluids came back from the labs and they found elevated levels of metal or some other contaminant in them that should not be there.

They may have completely disassembled one of their track cars and found some cracks or premature wear in an internal part that had previously not had a problem.

I feel that if this were a minor problem that the vehicles would have been shipped and then a recall would have been sent out to have the component replaced at a later time.

To shut down production it would seem to be something that could lead to a catastrophic failure of a major component or a safety issue.

If it were either of these I would prefer that they take action before they shipped.

If it was a window that sometimes did not roll down or radio knob falling off I can deal with that for a little while. Hey GM go ahead and send me mine.

I do not like the fact that they are leaving us in the dark. I would have told my customers something by now. They do not have to be specific. At this point it would be good business to imply what the issue might be even if it was not true so that so that we feel like we are being kept in the loop with our major purchases. I would rather know the truth.

It seems like it would be easier to wait if we know why we are waiting.

Sorry for the long post, needed to vent a little.

I really enjoy reading on this forum. I look here every day to see if someone has posted a ship date.

03-20-2012, 05:36 PM	#1421
htg39 Drives: Corvette ZR1 2012 Centennial. Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: oceanside Posts: 155	ZL1 QC Hold Extension I just wanted to Thank Everybody for there kind Condolences in regards to my Wife's Passing......Its appreciated-----------------its Tuff but I just deal with each day....Thanks again...Harvey

03-20-2012, 06:00 PM	#1423
Mrose Drives: 2012 ZL1 Victory Red !!!!!!! Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: MI Posts: 322	I too have had an order placed last year and money down for over a year now ! I was suposed to have mine built this month. :( Not happy with how long its taken to get a 2012. Plus that said it will be a year old in july when the new model year starts!!!!!! But at least I am getting one this summer i hope. __________________ ZL1 Current Status:6000 #1251 1000 Initial Order 11/28/2011 - 1100 Order accepted at dealer: 11/28/2011 - QBDTB8 2000 Order accepted by GM: 04/23/2012 2500 Order preferenced. Pulled to the production system 4/24/2012 3000 Accepted By Production Control: 04/25/2012 - TPW 05/07/2011 3100 Sequenced: 05/03/2012 3300 Scheduled For Production:5/4/2012 3400 Broadcast: 5/5/2012 3800 Produced: 5/11/2012 4B00 Available To Ship car is bayed: 5/13/2012 4200 Shipped: 5/30/2012 5000 Delivered To The Dealer: 6/5/2012 6000 Delivered To Customer: 6/6/2012

03-20-2012, 06:41 PM	#1427
Zedder Drives: 40 plus Camaros and counting! Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Oakville Posts: 232	Reliable source close to the plant: issue is a chip in the BCM...supplier is in Japan...6 - 8 weeks to rectify....for what it's worth On a more important note, I'm very sorry to hear about the passing of your wife Harvey. __________________ Mark GM cancelled my 2012 ZL1 order

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03-20-2012, 06:43 PM	#1428
Lonny Doyle Aerospace Machinist Drives: 2012 Victory Red ZL1 w/ ECF Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Red Oak,Texas Posts: 67	I work in the aerospace industry, every part I machine has a paper trail for trace ability. I am sure this is also true with automobiles. It is possible that during QC it was discovered that something was made from the wrong material and they are having to replace these components. It could also be that some of the fluids came back from the labs and they found elevated levels of metal or some other contaminant in them that should not be there. They may have completely disassembled one of their track cars and found some cracks or premature wear in an internal part that had previously not had a problem. I feel that if this were a minor problem that the vehicles would have been shipped and then a recall would have been sent out to have the component replaced at a later time. To shut down production it would seem to be something that could lead to a catastrophic failure of a major component or a safety issue. If it were either of these I would prefer that they take action before they shipped. If it was a window that sometimes did not roll down or radio knob falling off I can deal with that for a little while. Hey GM go ahead and send me mine. I do not like the fact that they are leaving us in the dark. I would have told my customers something by now. They do not have to be specific. At this point it would be good business to imply what the issue might be even if it was not true so that so that we feel like we are being kept in the loop with our major purchases. I would rather know the truth. It seems like it would be easier to wait if we know why we are waiting. Sorry for the long post, needed to vent a little. I really enjoy reading on this forum. I look here every day to see if someone has posted a ship date.