[Fraxum]

The interior is nice enough and has luxury touches like a heated steering wheel and ventilated seats in the higher trim levels. The interior styling is a little disjointed and busy IMO, especially compared to the 5th gen show car interior, but no big deal. My only gripes are visibility and the two lumps in front of the driver.

But if you can't appreciate that Chevy spent the money on the hardware, then the Camaro is not for you. The car is all about handling, overall performance and speed. With the Camaro you have one of the best handling cars in the world and you can get it with the best small block Chevy ever. And it looks pretty good to me and most other people.

If it doesn't put a grin on your face when you drive it then it's not for you. They used to call this a permagrin.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by SliChillax

I've got a BMW M235i which brand new costs the same as a 2SS Camaro, has less options, worse performance, worse chassis, worse interior quality and you guys are complaining about the Camaro, wow. Some of you are ignorant and spoiled.

The M2 came out as I was ordering my 2SS. I looked hard at both cars and went back to see the M2 twice before deciding.

The M2 cost $10k more, had less performance, was less comfortable (6’-4” so left arm missed the left arm rest with seat back), had fewer features. The Camaro was a much, much better value.

I too think my 2SS interior is very nice. It was stupid that I had to pay extra for premium floor mats, foot lighting and suede knee bolsters.

IMO - Cadillac is the one that needs to figure out its interiors

[arpad_m]

Originally Posted by protovack

I don't think anyone wants to let GM off the hook. We all expect that they are going to take customer input and make improvements. From what I've seen, the majority of Camaro owners actually like the new 6th gen interior. There is a vocal minority, of whom you are a part, who are very focused on luxury interiors. And that's great. If your words are heard by Chevrolet and it motivates them to improve the quality of interiors in the next generation, great, we all win. But I think the general consensus here is that, we are fine with the non-luxury interior so the car can stay affordable.

It's no different with the trucks. When they revealed the 2019 silverado a few weeks ago, the internet was on fire with hate directed towards the "horrible chevrolet interiors". People are constantly hating on Chevrolet interiors, but its usually not Chevrolet customers doing that. The reason they didn't change the Silverado interior that much is because they interviewed Silverado owners and they said, "We like the current interior." I own a 16 Silverado, and, like my Camaro, the interior is utilitarian and functional. And if you gouge a dash panel, the replacement panel is going to be dirt cheap.

I'm honestly surprised you don't like the upper trim level camaro interiors. Have you actually sat in one and driven it for a while? I mean, the 2LT/2SS are pretty plush inside, it's really not a huge difference from your ATS. Even my 1SS, to me, feels stellar. I went and inspected the materials today in my car, and actually, even the hard plastics are pretty good. They feel dense and substantial. The leather-wrapped steering wheel is fantastic, the shift knob is leather wrapped with metal trim. The cloth seats are even super nice, much nicer than most other new cars these days. There are some design choices people take issue with (no storage?) But really, on materials and overall layout, it just works. I like it. And remember, you get the beautiful steering wheel and shifter on the 1LS, a car that you could buy for around 25k.

I don't expect that anyone could talk you into liking it (especially if you're comparing to euro luxury brands). But I think if you drove it for a week you'd understand.

I'm coming from Europe and have absolutely no problem with the 2LT/2SS interior, except maybe the lack of storage and weird USB connector placement (but then I had to engage jerk mode even to mention these). Higher end BMW's do have a more luxury feel, but at price points I wouldn't even consider.

Of course there is always room for improvement, but I'm sure GM are fully aware of these opportunities and will make good on many of them in the future. Nice to have competition to "help" make this happen.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by Cgocifer

I agree totally. I too owned a G37 for that same reason. I wanted a sporty luxury car. My point is that the camaro was never intended to be a luxury car. It was built for style and performance. There are plenty of cars out there to choose from, but folks should know what they want out of a car and the price they are willing to pay.

Is the interior perfect? No. But I do think it is darn good for a non luxury sports car that performs as good or better than cars twice it's price or more.

Yep there are those that cross shop odd things and certain things win them over.

[F1FTY]

Dash and upper door materials could be better (soft touch plastics would work great here). Interior storage (door design and center console design) is the largest weakness.

GM could get creative and put storage in the overhead lighting to form a cubby for sunglasses like VW has done too.

All in all, considering where GM has been with car interiors, the price point, the competitive set and the focus of the car, they've hit a homerun here in product. The sales figures shows the mix is off, but the ingredients are 99% there.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by Number 3

....
As I said, even Bob Lutz was pretty clear that genuine wood was not required as half the people couldn't tell the difference. I still laugh at that presentation.

.....

I was in the room for a meeting where a Vehicle Line Executive went toe-to-toe with Bob Lutz over whether the VLE's car could afford real wood in the interior or should settle for faux wood. It was the first time to the knowledge of those of us in the room that Bob actually conceded to the VLE's argument and agreed to go with real wood in the car. From that day, until the day the VLE retired, Bob jokingly referred to him as Woody. It was also the first time that I'd heard him use one of his other more frequent quotes...."I'm often wrong, but never in doubt".

History wound up on the side of the VLE. When his car launched, it got rave reviews for the interior. Buff magazines specifically called out the choice of real wood over faux wood.

[camaro5]

Car and Driver:

How is it that the ZL1’s interior rating is lower than that of the regular Camaro lineup?

Easy: It’s the same interior, only the ZL1 starts at $63,795 versus the base car’s $26,900 starting point.

Even some microsuede touches on the steering wheel and shifter, as well as the Camaro lineup’s including every available interior bauble and flourish as standard,

aren’t enough to mask this cabin’s humbler origins.

And don’t forget, the ZL1 suffers from the same restricted sightlines and tight back seat as lesser Camaros.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...-driver-page-5

[protovack]

man this thread took a funny turn....I think someone was speculating about the 2019 refresh and wanting them to improve the interior? Regardless, the '19 is going to be a refresh, don't expect a brand new interior.

[cskipgo]

Originally Posted by protovack

man this thread took a funny turn....I think someone was speculating about the 2019 refresh and wanting them to improve the interior? Regardless, the '19 is going to be a refresh, don't expect a brand new interior.

It did kind of change course..... maybe we should include what is going to make a better refreshed 2019, a V6 or V8. (Just kidding, we don't need to start that here)

[Gunkk]

I’m curious if they’ll dispense with the pokey cheekbones on the SS and go with a more ZL1 look...

[hotlap]

What the Camaro needs is sooo obvious...

A lower level interior trim for entry level buyers
A high end, Euro luxury interior for the ZL1
More interior storage with a SUV size center console

A lower displacement, lower power V8 for entry level buyers.
A 500 hp dual injection LT1 for the SS
A 600 hp DOHC naturally aspirated V8 for a the Z/28
The 750 hp LT5 for the ZL1

A big back seat so the car can comfortably seat four adults wearing helmets.
A large trunk to fit two sets of golf clubs
Lighter, more nimble with lower curb weight to allow for a 3500 lb Z/28

Look nothing like the 1st or 5th gen yet retain the Camaro identity.
360 degrees of unobstructed visibility.
Extra large rear view mirrors

Most of all, it needs to appeal to people that have never owned any “pony car” before. ...and lower the price 10%

[sarcasm]

[wjones14]

Originally Posted by SliChillax

I've got a BMW M235i which brand new costs the same as a 2SS Camaro, has less options, worse performance, worse chassis, worse interior quality and you guys are complaining about the Camaro, wow. Some of you are ignorant and spoiled.

I was with you 100% until you said worse interior quality. The M235i interior is a pretty nice place to be. I've sat in about ten 2SS Camaros so far and am planning on buying a 2SS 1LE in the spring, and I definitely love the car. But I'm going backwards as far as interior quality. Agree with everything else you wrote though.

[Cgocifer]

Originally Posted by F1FTY

Dash and upper door materials could be better (soft touch plastics would work great here). Interior storage (door design and center console design) is the largest weakness.

GM could get creative and put storage in the overhead lighting to form a cubby for sunglasses like VW has done too.

All in all, considering where GM has been with car interiors, the price point, the competitive set and the focus of the car, they've hit a homerun here in product. The sales figures shows the mix is off, but the ingredients are 99% there.

Yeah, people forget just how atrocious GM interiors were just a few years ago. They've come a long way. I never would have considered a GM a few years ago because they were so bad. They're good enough now that I'm not embarrassed to show it off. The performance of the 6th gen is so high, I may have even overlooked the older interiors, but thank goodness I didn't have to because they are so much nicer now.

I am so tired of hearing the complaints of the visibility. I have no issues at all. It just took a little getting used to. Just need to learn the corners of the car, be aware of your surroundings, and trust the mirrors. The car looks like a concept car which is awesome given all the cookie cutter boxes out there.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by Cgocifer

Yeah, people forget just how atrocious GM interiors were just a few years ago. They've come a long way. I never would have considered a GM a few years ago because they were so bad. They're good enough now that I'm not embarrassed to show it off. The performance of the 6th gen is so high, I may have even overlooked the older interiors, but thank goodness I didn't have to because they are so much nicer now.

I am so tired of hearing the complaints of the visibility. I have no issues at all. It just took a little getting used to. Just need to learn the corners of the car, be aware of your surroundings, and trust the mirrors. The car looks like a concept car which is awesome given all the cookie cutter boxes out there.

Totally agree they have come a long way. That being said, my new LaCrosse interior is really very nice. But for a $50,000 car it is still lacking compared to other cars in that price range. Lexus, BMW and MB cars in that price range, although smaller, still have noticably nicer interiors.

And I'm so tired of people that think because visibility isn't an issue for them it isn't an issue. It's an issue. If you are depending on someone having to "get used to" your product you've already limited your sales potential. Sorry that's just a fact.