2015 Ford Mustang

[jp23rockstar]

New info has come along concerning the next gen mustang.

http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/f...engine-111589/

Four cylinder turbo engine for the base model.

[mlee]

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=229149

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=225595

[DaBears]

It makes sense. Im willing to bet that they could get 33-34 MPG out of a turbo 4 for the mustang, especially since the new stang is gonna weigh less.

I think they are aiming at this.

Base Mustang - Turbo 4 with 330 HP
"pony package" - V6 with 350 or more HP
GT- 5.0 V8 POSSIBLY bumped up to 450 HP?

[nester7929]

Whatever they do, I think it's about time we saw a Mach 1 again.

[fielderLS3]

Probably an optional engine, not the base. 330 hp from 2.3L sounds expensive. I'll also eat my hat if they go the 200,000 miles you can typically expect from a "normal" engine without major problems.

Originally Posted by DaBears

It makes sense. Im willing to bet that they could get 33-34 MPG out of a turbo 4 for the mustang, especially since the new stang is gonna weigh less.

I think they are aiming at this.

Base Mustang - Turbo 4 with 330 HP
"pony package" - V6 with 350 or more HP
GT- 5.0 V8 POSSIBLY bumped up to 450 HP?

I'd say with a size/weight reduction, minor aerodynamic improvements, and direct injection, the current 3.7L V6 could get 33-34. They already get a 31 rating, and when driven gently, some guys are actually getting 35 or better on the highway.

450 horse from the 5.0 in the next gen sounds about right. They left a lot on the table with the current ones. The 2015 will almost certainly have direct injection. Make it smaller and lighter, and THAT engine may come close to cracking a 30 EPA highway rating. (Ok, maybe 28-29).

[TheReaper]

I would never buy an I-4 or a V6 Mustang. V8 or nothing at all.

[cbass]

450 horse from the 5.0 in the next gen sounds about right. They left a lot on the table with the current ones. The 2015 will almost certainly have direct injection. Make it smaller and lighter, and THAT engine may come close to cracking a 30 EPA highway rating. (Ok, maybe 28-29).

With direct injection I think you will see more than 450 hp out of the 5.0 coyote.

[Number 3]

330 from a 2.3L shouldn't be too difficult. Keep in mind that GM, Ford and Hyundai all have 2.0T engines that make 270 ish now. The GMPP turbo upgrade I put in my Sky was simply a new calibration and a few sensors and that bumped it to 290. So make a few adjustements to the block and cylinder heads to handle the cylinder pressure and then bump the 290 by 15% (2.0 to 2.3) and ta dahhhhh 333. So that really isn't anything special. Just bump the 270 by 15% and do nothing more than raise displacement to 2.3 and you get 310 all day long.

But I would agree that there will also be an ecoboost V6 in the mix.

Not sure about tearing up the Coyote for only 450 HP 3 years into production. That is a pretty big deal. So not saying they can't but I'd be surprised at DI. It isn't just a bolt on.

[DaBears]

The turbo 4 will not be an optional engine. EVERYTHING points to it being the base engine.

Do you realize how many of those they will sell? An american muscle car that gets 330HP but also 35MPG would sell like hotcakes.

[derklug]

The Boss package is running 440, so 450 shouldn't take much. 300hp four in an SVO package could be a little roadcourse screamer.

[DaBears]

Originally Posted by derklug

The Boss package is running 440, so 450 shouldn't take much. 300hp four in an SVO package could be a little roadcourse screamer.

Exactly.

Say it weighs 3300lbs and has that turbo 4 with 330HP and 290lbs of TQ. That thing will be fun as hell to drive, I dont care what anyone says.

The 18-30 year old demographic would go nuts for this car.

Obviously there are muscle car purist who say only a V-8 will do, but those people need to realize that they are now the minority. The demographic I just mentioned could care less about V-8's, unless they happen to have the money for them.

Future Camaro and Mustang V-8's will likely start out above $30k while this Turbo 4 will start under $25k.

What was that about a Scion FRS? Cuz that Scion is looking like pure crap when compared to this possible Mustang.

[KMPrenger]

Wow...I wasn't expecting much over 300 from either the next gen Ford Mustang or the Chevy Camaro turbo 4s. 330 is pretty impressive to me...and it will likely have a very good torque curve as well.

I have to agree with DaBears in that a 3,300 lb car with the above engine would be a friggin blast.

I hate to say it, but a car with that weight, and that powerful of a turbo 4 base engine....I don't see much of a reason to offer an N/A V6. Don't get me wrong, I hope Ford/Chevy do offer V6s with around 340HP/300TQ but how would that be any better than this turbo 4? It really wouldn't be, which saddens me cause I'm a bit of V6 enthusiast at this point and love adding on the bolt ons to see what they can do. With the turbo4, you just tune for more boost and suddenly you turn a 330HP motor into something much higher than that.

Here is what I'd love to see:
- Turbo 4,
- V6
- V6 turbo
- V8
- SC V8

I don't expect either manufacturer giving us that many options so here is what I expect:

1)
- Turbo 4
- V8
- SC V8

OR

2)
- Turbo 4
- Turbo V6
- SC V8

Notice I left out any N/A V8. Wow that would hurt a lot of enthusiasts out there.

[DaBears]

Originally Posted by KMPrenger

Wow...I wasn't expecting much over 300 from either the next gen Ford Mustang or the Chevy Camaro turbo 4s. 330 is pretty impressive to me...and it will likely have a very good torque curve as well.

I have to agree with DaBears in that a 3,300 lb car with the above engine would be a friggin blast.

I hate to say it, but a car with that weight, and that powerful of a turbo 4 base engine....I don't see much of a reason to offer an N/A V6. Don't get me wrong, I hope Ford/Chevy do offer V6s with around 340HP/300TQ but how would that be any better than this turbo 4? It really wouldn't be, which saddens me cause I'm a bit of V6 enthusiast at this point and love adding on the bolt ons to see what they can do. With the turbo4, you just tune for more boost and suddenly you turn a 330HP motor into something much higher than that.

Here is what I'd love to see:
- Turbo 4,
- V6
- V6 turbo
- V8
- SC V8

I don't expect either manufacturer giving us that many options so here is what I expect:

1)
- Turbo 4
- V8
- SC V8

OR

2)
- Turbo 4
- Turbo V6
- SC V8

Notice I left out any N/A V8. Wow that would hurt a lot of enthusiasts out there.

There are many people who think that the new Mustang's V-6 option will indeed be the ecoboost, which is not N/A. It makes sense to me.

Like you said, why offer a N/A V-6 if you have a turbo 4 that weighs less with almost the same power.

Again, this is how i see it.

"SVO Package" -Turbo 4 @ 330HP ($23k)

"Pony Package" - Ecoboost V-6 @ 350 or more HP, my guess would be 380 ($26k)

"GT" - 5.0 Coyote @ 450HP or more. (likely to start at over $32k)

[8cd03gro]

Other than some personal preference, the n/a v6 is really in a strange place. A turbo 4 in a mustang (or a camaro for that matter) would most likely make the entry level car much more mod-friendly and it would easily bring in a lot of buyers from other markets. If they make an SVO model with some suspension goodies and a turbo 4 in a lighter chassis, that would be one cool ride. They should have no issue making 330+hp out of a 2.3l I4. If it's forged and has a decent size turbo, it shouldn't be a problem to make that kind of power or more reliably.