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hapisok · 02-13-2012, 05:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gjarzabek009

so the RX isulator is better? o.O

RX was on a stock motor...so the gains will appear higher initially. once you start throwing other mods in, the gains aren't seen the same.

example:
Insulator 20HP
LT headers 30HP
CAI 15HP
Tune 13HP
----------------------
78HP (in reality this = 40-60HP(60 on the high side(accounting for dyno variables) and for the M6))

but we know this is not the case...this is what some refer to as "ricer math"

. it's taken all of those mod's and then some to make 50-60HP. so for those of us who did the initial testing with MACE, we had all the major bolt ons and tune which gives the appearance of the gains for MACE not being "AS GOOD", but we saw excellent gains in addition to the mods we already have.

this isn't a biased statement, its just the way the numbers add up. im sure RX will see similar results once testing has been done on platforms with similar mods as MACE.

before you know it, we're going to have a "which insulator is better" thread...

good luck, hope this helps

SC2150 · 02-13-2012, 08:47 AM

I would not discount the Mace in any way....the product is top notch either way IMHO. Either product is going to be WELL worth the $$. No fights as we respect what Mace is doing. Good group for sure.

Most know I give credit where credit is due (and let people know when it is not) and even though this is one area we are competing, it is a great product.

Mach · 02-13-2012, 09:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SC2150

I would not discount the Mace in any way....the product is top notch either way IMHO. Either product is going to be WELL worth the $$. No fights as we respect what Mace is doing. Good group for sure.

Most know I give credit where credit is due (and let people know when it is not) and even though this is one area we are competing, it is a great product.

Good Words from a good man. I think either isolator will be a fantastic mod. Great bang for the buck (hp per dollar)

bmorecam · 02-13-2012, 09:30 AM

Mach, tracy, hapisok, kmp, you guys rock! I believe both of the vendors here are a very good asset to this v6 community, actually giving us the underdogs a chance to even out the playing field. thank you guys for keeping the peace within this community!

Agarc · 02-13-2012, 09:56 AM

this is why i took a 6 vs an 8 lol that and the fact that i really didnt feel like paying 400 something a month

bmorecam · 02-13-2012, 10:12 AM

we can make this a v6 vs a v8 thread all day and we can go to war LOL, but lets not make it a vendor vs a vendor thread especially when both of these two vendors are all we really got that actually support the LLT movement and new product development. Its not only uncalled for, but would be a very stupid thing to do on our part.

Like I said plenty of time before and I will say it again...I don't really see the WOW factor on these LS engines. its old news to me, your old pushrod technology that my grand pop, my uncle, and my sister probably had. don't get me wrong, the technology work and pit put tons of power, but sometime its not all about who has the biggest hp. my direct injected 3.6L vvt engine give me the reason to want to learn more and more about this SIDI technology, I don't think I could say the same for the LS.

I'll take a power train that can fly pass most of these cars out here and at the same time look cool and don't have to keep spending my time at the pump.

its a syn · 02-13-2012, 10:18 AM

Very well put bmorecam!

rtcat600man · 02-13-2012, 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hapisok

RX was on a stock motor...so the gains will appear higher initially. once you start throwing other mods in, the gains aren't seen the same.

example:
Insulator 20HP
LT headers 30HP
CAI 15HP
Tune 13HP
----------------------
78HP (in reality this = 40-60HP(60 on the high side(accounting for dyno variables) and for the M6))

but we know this is not the case...this is what some refer to as "ricer math"

. it's taken all of those mod's and then some to make 50-60HP. so for those of us who did the initial testing with MACE, we had all the major bolt ons and tune which gives the appearance of the gains for MACE not being "AS GOOD", but we saw excellent gains in addition to the mods we already have.

this isn't a biased statement, its just the way the numbers add up. im sure RX will see similar results once testing has been done on platforms with similar mods as MACE.

before you know it, we're going to have a "which insulator is better" thread...

good luck, hope this helps

Quote:

Originally Posted by SC2150

I would not discount the Mace in any way....the product is top notch either way IMHO. Either product is going to be WELL worth the $$. No fights as we respect what Mace is doing. Good group for sure.

Most know I give credit where credit is due (and let people know when it is not) and even though this is one area we are competing, it is a great product.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mach

Good Words from a good man. I think either isolator will be a fantastic mod. Great bang for the buck (hp per dollar)

Quote:

Originally Posted by bmorecam

Mach, tracy, hapisok, kmp, you guys rock! I believe both of the vendors here are a very good asset to this v6 community, actually giving us the underdogs a chance to even out the playing field. thank you guys for keeping the peace within this community!

....

..I love the fact that these 2 competing vendors can operate in the same area and have so much respect for each other. This is a win win for all involved, especially us V6 owners.

Thank - you to all those working, manufacturing and testing products for us owners.

Mach · 02-13-2012, 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bmorecam

Like I said plenty of time before and I will say it again...I don't really see the WOW factor on these LS engines. its old news to me, your old pushrod technology that my grand pop, my uncle, and my sister probably had. don't get me wrong, the technology work and pit put tons of power, but sometime its not all about who has the biggest hp. my direct injected 3.6L vvt engine give me the reason to want to learn more and more about this SIDI technology, I don't think I could say the same for the LS.

I'll take a power train that can fly pass most of these cars out here and at the same time look cool and don't have to keep spending my time at the pump.

I agree. After some modding we are getting close to 100hp/liter. That says alot about this motor.

The V8's only getting 65hp/liter. Really inefficient. For the V8 to run the same efficiency it would have to make 620hp and we all know it doesn't.

Blade · 02-13-2012, 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mach

The V8's only getting 65hp/liter. Really inefficient. For the V8 to run the same efficiency it would have to make 620hp and we all know it doesn't.

Yea but the new GT500 will match it apparently

LMFAO!!!

Mach · 02-13-2012, 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blade

Yea but the new GT500 will match it apparently

LMFAO!!!

Yeah with a supercharger. We are doing this NA.

Blade · 02-13-2012, 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mach

Yeah with a supercharger. We are doing this NA.

Camaros FTW!

Blade · 02-15-2012, 09:29 AM

Anyone know the paypal address I can send money to these guys? Looks like the only time Steve is able to check my PMs is when it's 3AM EST because of the time difference LOL.

Mach · 02-15-2012, 09:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blade

Anyone know the paypal address I can send money to these guys? Looks like the only time Steve is able to check my PMs is when it's 3AM EST because of the time difference LOL.

Try this....

http://www.maceengineering.com.au/ep...oducts/MI621_1

02-13-2012, 10:18 AM	#385
its a syn B.O.D. 02/16/10 Drives: 2010 SGM Sp. Edition 2017 RS Conver Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Albia,Iowa Posts: 3,959 View My Garage	Very well put bmorecam! __________________

02-15-2012, 09:29 AM	#391
Blade Drives: 2016 Camaro 2SS BVM Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Charlotte Posts: 4,689 View My Garage	Anyone know the paypal address I can send money to these guys? Looks like the only time Steve is able to check my PMs is when it's 3AM EST because of the time difference LOL. __________________ Formerly owner of: 2012 2SS/RS Build Thread - Totaled by red light runner 2010 LT/RS Build Thread - Traded in for 2012 2SS 2007 Acura TSX 1992 Oldsmobile Achieva V6 1992 Mercury Sable

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02-13-2012, 08:47 AM	#380
SC2150 Account Suspended Drives: 2012 Camaro RS, RX supercharged Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Bradenton, FL Posts: 6,063	I would not discount the Mace in any way....the product is top notch either way IMHO. Either product is going to be WELL worth the $$. No fights as we respect what Mace is doing. Good group for sure. Most know I give credit where credit is due (and let people know when it is not) and even though this is one area we are competing, it is a great product.

02-13-2012, 09:30 AM	#382
bmorecam Account Suspended Drives: jealous vendors mad!! HAHA!! Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: CYBERGMONSTER@GMAIL.COM Posts: 3,658 View My Garage	Mach, tracy, hapisok, kmp, you guys rock! I believe both of the vendors here are a very good asset to this v6 community, actually giving us the underdogs a chance to even out the playing field. thank you guys for keeping the peace within this community!

02-13-2012, 09:56 AM	#383
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02-13-2012, 10:12 AM	#384
bmorecam Account Suspended Drives: jealous vendors mad!! HAHA!! Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: CYBERGMONSTER@GMAIL.COM Posts: 3,658 View My Garage	we can make this a v6 vs a v8 thread all day and we can go to war LOL, but lets not make it a vendor vs a vendor thread especially when both of these two vendors are all we really got that actually support the LLT movement and new product development. Its not only uncalled for, but would be a very stupid thing to do on our part. Like I said plenty of time before and I will say it again...I don't really see the WOW factor on these LS engines. its old news to me, your old pushrod technology that my grand pop, my uncle, and my sister probably had. don't get me wrong, the technology work and pit put tons of power, but sometime its not all about who has the biggest hp. my direct injected 3.6L vvt engine give me the reason to want to learn more and more about this SIDI technology, I don't think I could say the same for the LS. I'll take a power train that can fly pass most of these cars out here and at the same time look cool and don't have to keep spending my time at the pump.