GG tax question

[SlingShot]

Originally Posted by shockandawe

Does the ZL1 auto come with AFM?

No...

[mlee]

Originally Posted by shockandawe

Does the ZL1 auto come with AFM?

We got past the GG Tax by using AFM on the SS Autos

[DangerZL1]

Originally Posted by mlee

We got past the GG Tax by using AFM on the SS Autos

I don't think the ZL1s would have avoided the GG tax even with AFM. They weigh too much and they are more performance oriented.

[hognutz]

Originally Posted by mlee

We got past the GG Tax by using AFM on the SS Autos

the only way I see the ZL-1 getting around the GG tax is

1. different engine (the boosted 6.2L gets worse milage than and LS7)
2. different gearing (taller 6th, higher rear ratio wich would lap slower most likely)
3. less wieght (not going to happen)

It would have been interesting to see if a ~3800lb car with and LS7 would have the GG.

[mlee]

I'm not advocating we even try with the ZL1... I don't want to give up anything unless it's weight reduction

[actireman]

I know one thing, they charged me sales tax on a gas guzzler tax. How does that work? Taxed on a tax? Sounds like BS to me. I asked the dealer because it pissed me off. We already pay enough in taxes. They should be happy how thirsty it is, seeing on how they tax every gallon of gas too.

[Blueclyde]

The gas guzzler tax is a tax for GM Corp not the end user. They ammortize it into the cost of the car and show it as a line item on the sticker. This way it makes the base car price sound lower. Since it is rolled into the price of the car, yes we have to pay sales tax on it. It is a tax to GM not a tax to us. GM passes it along and then we get whacked on top of the head. It is the price you pay to play but yes it sucks.

I will tell you it was a major factor in why I am getting a manual. The upcharge for the auto trans is $1185 + an additional GG tax of $1300 + state sales tax. That is an upcharge of $2634.10 in MI. Not worth it IMHO.

[leviticus88]

Originally Posted by actireman

I know one thing, they charged me sales tax on a gas guzzler tax. How does that work? Taxed on a tax? Sounds like BS to me. I asked the dealer because it pissed me off. We already pay enough in taxes. They should be happy how thirsty it is, seeing on how they tax every gallon of gas too.

This is how all taxes are. They get passed to the end consumer as a higher cost and the consumer gets taxed twice or more but "hidden". BS especially when you think about how much cheaper and easier things could be without idiotic things like Gas Guzzler taxes.

[tfghung]

I know I am in the minority opinion, but I think there should be high taxes on bad things. Taxes on tobacco, taxes on alcohol, taxes on sugar-added products like soda, and taxes on fuel. We are lucky to get this car in this day and age. No car should only get 12 mpg, but it doesn't mean I don't want it

Look what happened over 10 years ago when gas prices really started rising. SUV sales plummeted. That was a good thing. The less petroleum our country uses, the less of it we need from the Middle East who want us out of there. We then have better national security. I think the CAFE should be 40 mpg right now!

[BigDogZL1]

Your ate up!

[mlee]

Originally Posted by tfghung

I know I am in the minority opinion, but I think there should be high taxes on bad things. Taxes on tobacco, taxes on alcohol, taxes on sugar-added products like soda, and taxes on fuel. We are lucky to get this car in this day and age. No car should only get 12 mpg, but it doesn't mean I don't want it

Look what happened over 10 years ago when gas prices really started rising. SUV sales plummeted. That was a good thing. The less petroleum our country uses, the less of it we need from the Middle East who want us out of there. We then have better national security. I think the CAFE should be 40 mpg right now!

And then we give subsidies to grow things like corn to produce cheap fast food that makes us all FAT and un-healthy...

[tfghung]

Originally Posted by mlee

And then we give subsidies to grow things like corn to produce cheap fast food that makes us all FAT and un-healthy...

Yeah, that was a bad idea. Food prices went up too because farmers were growing tons of corn for ethanol. Then they had to find some other uses for the corn. We need to end subsidies for industries that don't need it like big agriculture and big oil.

[mlee]

Originally Posted by tfghung

Yeah, that was a bad idea. Food prices went up too because farmers were growing tons of corn for ethanol. Then they had to find some other uses for the corn. We need to end subsidies for industries that don't need it like big agriculture and big oil.

Whoops... there are no subsidies for big oil... the tax breaks they are afforded are across the board for a lot of big companies... they are just singled out because they actually make money...

[GoldenBear]

Originally Posted by mlee

Whoops... there are no subsidies for big oil... the tax breaks they are afforded are across the board for a lot of big companies... they are just singled out because they actually make money...

Regardless of what other large industries are afforded, the fossil fuel industry receives a tremendous amount of Federal subsidies. A fossil fuel subsidy is any government action that lowers the cost of fossil fuel energy production, raises the price received by producers or lowers the price paid by consumers, such as tax breaks and giveaways, loans at favorable rates, price controls, purchase requirements, etc. A recent comprehensive study on the subject identified just over $10 billion in annual Federal subsides for the fossil fuel industry between 2002 and 2008. Whether those subsidies are good or bad is a value judgment left for the reader.