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revo1059 · 02-11-2016, 07:50 AM

This may not belong here, but it's important that this gets as much publicity as possible. This needs to be posted on every car form out there. If it needs to be moved then moderators please move it to the appropriate forum.

EPA SEEKS TO PROHIBIT CONVERSION OF VEHICLES INTO RACECARS
-- SEMA to Oppose Action as Threat to Modified Racecars and Parts Suppliers --

Washington, DC (February 8, 2016) – The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) has proposed a regulation to prohibit conversion of vehicles originally designed for on-road use into racecars. The regulation would also make the sale of certain products for use on such vehicles illegal. The proposed regulation was contained within a non-related proposed regulation entitled “Greenhouse Gas Emissions and Fuel Efficiency Standards for Medium- and Heavy-Duty Engines and Vehicles—Phase 2.”

The regulation would impact all vehicle types, including the sports cars, sedans and hatch-backs commonly converted strictly for use at the track. While the Clean Air Act prohibits certain modifications to motor vehicles, it is clear that vehicles built or modified for racing, and not used on the streets, are not the “motor vehicles” that Congress intended to regulate.

“This proposed regulation represents overreaching by the agency, runs contrary to the law and defies decades of racing activity where EPA has acknowledged and allowed conversion of vehicles,” said SEMA President and CEO Chris Kersting. “Congress did not intend the original Clean Air Act to extend to vehicles modified for racing and has re-enforced that intent on more than one occasion.”

SEMA submitted comments in opposition to the regulation and met with the EPA to confirm the agency’s intentions. The EPA indicated that the regulation would prohibit conversion of vehicles into racecars and make the sale of certain emissions-related parts for use on converted vehicles illegal. Working with other affected organizations, including those representing legions of professional and hobbyist racers and fans, SEMA will continue to oppose the regulation through the administrative process and will seek congressional support and judicial intervention as necessary.

The EPA has indicated it expects to publish final regulations by July 2016.

link to SEMA site on more info

click the link sign the petition

https://www.sema.org/sema-enews/2016...into-racecars?

Bigtime53 · 02-11-2016, 08:28 AM

Done. That sounds like communism to me. We just cannot stand still and let the EPA ram this down our throat.

xc_SS/RS · 02-11-2016, 09:23 AM

Petition is over 115k signatures. Let's see what happens...

gajagfan · 02-11-2016, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by guerrillakilla13

They were just here two weeks ago for a full week. They're thinking hard about moving to Arizona. I'll eventually make the trip up there but my god, they're whining about their home-state for the same reason I whine about it.

And as much as I agree with you about going to see them, there are plenty of other reasons that aren't car related as to why I don't want to go.

I get what you are saying, and its awesome you are getting to spend time with them!

blackoutVIII · 02-11-2016, 11:38 AM

Well, we all know who is responsible for this. THE CLIMATE CHANGE ADMINISTRATION!!

xc_SS/RS · 02-11-2016, 11:44 AM

So if this actually goes through, I think Government Motors might have a little more weight too it...

Just a thought. Lol

JDP Sales · 02-11-2016, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by gzobian

That doesn't stop you, but comrade Bernie and his brainwashed youth will.

They can try muhahahaha!!

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ZED SLED · 02-11-2016, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Nor Cal ZL1

Mod what? There will be nothing to mod. Electric motors don't mod well. Besides your only going to be able to do what the Prius in front of you is doing, nothing more.....

Apparently you don't watch Gold Rush, lol.

2SSCAMARO · 02-11-2016, 11:57 AM

Although this single issue is important to many of us, there are many more synergies progressing rapidly that will be far more devastating. Ben was a very smart man way back in the 1700's.

vinman · 02-11-2016, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Nor Cal ZL1

Mod what? There will be nothing to mod. Electric motors don't mod well. Besides your only going to be able to do what the Prius in front of you is doing, nothing more.....

I'd put a bigger battery in, larger electric motor, retune the computer so it had user input and pass that Prius!!!

chuckstacamaro · 02-11-2016, 01:29 PM

My guess there would have to be a grandfather clause to exclude existing and older motor vehicles.

Angrybird 12 · 02-11-2016, 06:17 PM

I thought the title fit the topic, now its kind of stupid...
Also it was moved out of the General automotive, it more fits that catagory because it pertains to all cars not just Camaros.

mustang50lx · 02-11-2016, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by EWade

ASK your DMV about drivers license, cause you'll get a surprise, it isn't a right as you might think it in any state. It is a privilege that at any time and for any reason, usually do to infractions of motor vehicle moving violations, they CAN and will either suspend for a certain amount of time OR revoke them depending on the violations amounted with a certain time frame and for some also a points system.

Why do I point this out, each state differs in how they deal with moving violations on a drivers license, I know for a fact in Illinois there's a point system, for moving violations all have points set depending on the moving violation, and if the number of violations in a year get to 4 or more, they use the points for each violation and add them up. Once these are added up, IF they get to a certain number of points the state may suspend that license for 6 months up to a year, if these points get above a certain number ( which I don't remember that number) the state will revoke that license for as long as they like.

I went through this and dealt with it, after receiving four moving violations out of state, in Wichita Kansas, those violations eventually got back to the DMV in Illinois. I had my license suspended for a year and was told I was only a few points from having them revoked. I take a great deal of thought when it comes to moving violations on my record in a years time, and even worse for my situation I have a CDL, and can even lose it for only one violation in a year.

I understand what you are saying. That is not what I am talking about. For instance I am a free man until I commit a crime and lose my freedom while I am in jail. They can not just put me in jail for no reason. Similarly I have the right to drive until I do something to lose that right. My point is that they can't just say "You can't drive anymore" for no reason. I also have a CDL. I won't even drink a single beer and drive anymore because of how strict that is.

two_wheel_mayhem · 02-11-2016, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by mustang50lx

I understand what you are saying. That is not what I am talking about. For instance I am a free man until I commit a crime and lose my freedom while I am in jail. They can not just put me in jail for no reason. Similarly I have the right to drive until I do something to lose that right. My point is that they can't just say "You can't drive anymore" for no reason. I also have a CDL. I won't even drink a single beer and drive anymore because of how strict that is.

The word you are looking for..... driving on public roads is a "conditional right".

So are gun permits and marriage licenses.

You are correct as privilege can be taken away for no good/fair reason or reasons beyond your control.

02-11-2016, 07:50 AM	#99
revo1059 Drives: Black 2012 ZL1 Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Buffalo Grove Posts: 433	EPA stupidity This may not belong here, but it's important that this gets as much publicity as possible. This needs to be posted on every car form out there. If it needs to be moved then moderators please move it to the appropriate forum. EPA SEEKS TO PROHIBIT CONVERSION OF VEHICLES INTO RACECARS -- SEMA to Oppose Action as Threat to Modified Racecars and Parts Suppliers -- Washington, DC (February 8, 2016) – The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) has proposed a regulation to prohibit conversion of vehicles originally designed for on-road use into racecars. The regulation would also make the sale of certain products for use on such vehicles illegal. The proposed regulation was contained within a non-related proposed regulation entitled “Greenhouse Gas Emissions and Fuel Efficiency Standards for Medium- and Heavy-Duty Engines and Vehicles—Phase 2.” The regulation would impact all vehicle types, including the sports cars, sedans and hatch-backs commonly converted strictly for use at the track. While the Clean Air Act prohibits certain modifications to motor vehicles, it is clear that vehicles built or modified for racing, and not used on the streets, are not the “motor vehicles” that Congress intended to regulate. “This proposed regulation represents overreaching by the agency, runs contrary to the law and defies decades of racing activity where EPA has acknowledged and allowed conversion of vehicles,” said SEMA President and CEO Chris Kersting. “Congress did not intend the original Clean Air Act to extend to vehicles modified for racing and has re-enforced that intent on more than one occasion.” SEMA submitted comments in opposition to the regulation and met with the EPA to confirm the agency’s intentions. The EPA indicated that the regulation would prohibit conversion of vehicles into racecars and make the sale of certain emissions-related parts for use on converted vehicles illegal. Working with other affected organizations, including those representing legions of professional and hobbyist racers and fans, SEMA will continue to oppose the regulation through the administrative process and will seek congressional support and judicial intervention as necessary. The EPA has indicated it expects to publish final regulations by July 2016. link to SEMA site on more info click the link sign the petition https://www.sema.org/sema-enews/2016...into-racecars?

02-11-2016, 09:23 AM	#101
xc_SS/RS Drives: 2010 Camaro SS/RS Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: somewhere in MD Posts: 4,883	Petition is over 115k signatures. Let's see what happens... __________________ 2010 2SS/RS Z/28 intake, NW, FAST 102, speed engineering LT's, some exhaust, ATI -10% pulley, GM flex fuel injectors, DSX flex fuel sensor, MGW shifter, HP Tuners, some suspension work, stickers and a little weight loss. 12.63 @113.53

02-11-2016, 11:44 AM	#104
xc_SS/RS Drives: 2010 Camaro SS/RS Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: somewhere in MD Posts: 4,883	So if this actually goes through, I think Government Motors might have a little more weight too it... Just a thought. Lol __________________ 2010 2SS/RS Z/28 intake, NW, FAST 102, speed engineering LT's, some exhaust, ATI -10% pulley, GM flex fuel injectors, DSX flex fuel sensor, MGW shifter, HP Tuners, some suspension work, stickers and a little weight loss. 12.63 @113.53

02-11-2016, 11:57 AM	#107
2SSCAMARO Drives: 2010 Camaro Auto Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Fl Posts: 1,164	Although this single issue is important to many of us, there are many more synergies progressing rapidly that will be far more devastating. Ben was a very smart man way back in the 1700's. Attached Images __________________ Just livin' life

02-11-2016, 06:17 PM	#110
Angrybird 12 7 year Cancer Survivor! Drives: 17 Cruze RS, 07 G6 GT, 99 Astro Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: East Tennessee Posts: 21,547	Who changed the title of my thread??? I thought the title fit the topic, now its kind of stupid... Also it was moved out of the General automotive, it more fits that catagory because it pertains to all cars not just Camaros. __________________ Cancer's a bitch! Enjoy life while you can! LIVE, LOVE, DRIVE... The Bird is the word!

02-11-2016, 08:28 AM	#100
Bigtime53 Drives: 2013 ZL1 Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 2,298	Done. That sounds like communism to me. We just cannot stand still and let the EPA ram this down our throat.

02-11-2016, 11:38 AM	#103
blackoutVIII Drives: 2011 2SS w/RS PKG Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Hawaii Posts: 140	Well, we all know who is responsible for this. THE CLIMATE CHANGE ADMINISTRATION!!

02-11-2016, 01:29 PM	#109
chuckstacamaro Drives: 2014 2SS/RS BRM Purchase 03/19/2014 Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Melbourne, FL Posts: 538 View My Garage	My guess there would have to be a grandfather clause to exclude existing and older motor vehicles.