11-28-2013, 10:38 AM | #29 | |
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11-28-2013, 11:09 AM | #30 |
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I know the adm billet subframe bushings are high quality and precision machined. They are also have a black anodized finish. The adm website pics are just the reference pics. I have these with the rear upper arm carbon fiber composite mounts. Many guys in dfw that frequently visit adm performance seem to all upgrade to these. Many local drag racers i run with all have these in there cars and love them. Keeps rear end solid and keeps wheels straight under acceleration. I have seen the rear wheels flex forward on the dyno with high horsepower cars. About 1/2 - 3/4 of an inch. That puts a bad toe in and puts a severe bind on your car during acceleration. The combination of the two really keep it straight. If you already have some arms you will have a killer setup. Straight launches and no wheelhop.
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11-28-2013, 12:02 PM | #31 | |
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Damn, I wish I had known! lol my Cam actually isn't big, it's a little on the smaller side, it's the Heads that got me close to 500rwhp But I get your point!
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11-28-2013, 12:05 PM | #32 | |
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11-28-2013, 12:12 PM | #33 |
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I would go with the solid subframe bushing sets. This will allow no movement at the anchor point, unlike polyurethane that still moves and delrin that has a limited life. Remember every single IRS Corvette that GM produced has solid anchor points for the cradle front and rear.
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11-28-2013, 01:57 PM | #34 |
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What is the difference in the install of the full bush vs inserts?
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11-28-2013, 02:03 PM | #35 | |
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Full inserts you have to drop the cradle and then drill out the OEM bushings. |
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11-28-2013, 02:33 PM | #36 | |
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On my list of mods. |
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11-28-2013, 02:43 PM | #37 |
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They cost twice as much also then inserts but are worth it if hp is alot. For auto x at stock hp levels inserts work fine, you have to be able to tell if one or the other got you .100 better. I sure couldnt!
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11-28-2013, 02:44 PM | #38 |
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Doing cradle bushings is easy, just takes a little time. Its easy people. I done it on jack stands in the driveway with one jack.
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11-28-2013, 03:24 PM | #39 |
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I was able to install the cradle inserts without even fully dropping the cradle, and that was with jackstands in the garage. There's no way I'd have been able to keep the cradle attached for the full bushings...
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11-28-2013, 04:34 PM | #40 |
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I didn't fully drop mine either for the full bushings. One jack, a Lowes propane torch and hand tools.
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11-30-2013, 11:07 PM | #41 |
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If it's worth anything, go with the full sub-frame bushings. The price of the bushings is pricey, but at the end of the day, it's well worth it and you don't want to end up doing the job twice if you end up doing it down the road. I just did mine a few days ago and following the Pfadt directions with a few differences, it took a little more than 4-5 hours. Besides doing it on the ground I cut the inner metal bushings and beat the hell out of them until they came out. Not saying a torch and jack won't do the job, but I didn't research any other way of doing it.
For myself, I removed the exhaust, disconnected the driveshaft, disconnected the strut from the control arm, pulled the four 24mm bolts that hold the cradle up and everything dropped. Dropping the cradle and getting the bushings out are the worst part of doing the job. After that putting it all back together takes less than half the time of getting it out. It would also be a good time to do anything else you need to do while it's down.
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I didn't undo the drive shaft.
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