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v8 · 11-09-2014, 01:29 PM

Hey I found an old jug of 5W30 Mobile 1. Probably about 3 years old and when I compared the rear of the jug to the newer jug, the old jug says pours down to -47 degrees. The newer just says pours down to -36 degrees.

Was the old oil better?

I attached a pic of each rear of the bottles.

What do you guys think?

camaro500 · 11-09-2014, 01:30 PM

Do you winter drive your camaro?

v8 · 11-09-2014, 01:52 PM

Nope but I live up in canada and start it every now and then to move it around. I noticed the rating was SM on the older oil and SN on the newer stuff. I think the older oil has more zinc for protection, but I can't figure out why it pours soo much better at low temps. They are both Mobile 1 5W30.

Exgie · 11-09-2014, 03:23 PM

Yes GL4 was better that GL5 oil for a whole host of reasons.

I do NOT use Mobil 1 any longer for a number or specific reasons.

el-guapin · 11-09-2014, 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Exgie

Yes GL4 was better that GL5 oil for a whole host of reasons.

I do NOT use Mobil 1 any longer for a number or specific reasons.

Curious,,, What do you use and why?

Mouse6.2 · 11-09-2014, 05:10 PM

It was my understanding that Mobil 1 used to be a PAO Group IV oil and then went to a Group III Hydrocracked oil. Upset a ton of people when they found out since they were still paying a high price for a lesser oil.

But now from what I have read, Mobile 1 is back to a PAO Group IV oil. I need to dig up the source.

Avenging Orange · 11-09-2014, 06:52 PM

Oils are all getting worse. With all the EPA crap, the need for more miles, less pollutants, etc. Technology has improved some aspects of oils.....some good, some bad. Its a toss up. Pick an oil, use it and change it regularly. Best kept secret ever! LOL

Andy-AMSOIL · 11-09-2014, 07:24 PM

When the new rated mobil 1 oil came out many failures of cams, and worst case engine. The horror stories were countless. They lowered thr zinc and phos in the oil.

07-SRT · 11-09-2014, 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andy-AMSOIL

When the new rated mobil 1 oil came out many failures of cams, and worst case engine. The horror stories were countless. They lowered thr zinc and phos in the oil.

Cams have failed with Joe Gibbs Ls30 oil etc..as well....Comp cams just admitted in an email it was a manufacuture defect, not because of some specfic oil....

klaatu barada nikto · 11-10-2014, 04:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andy-AMSOIL

When the new rated mobil 1 oil came out many failures of cams, and worst case engine. The horror stories were countless. They lowered thr zinc and phos in the oil.

Have Proof of One cam and/or engine failure directly linked to "the countless horror stories" of Mobil 1?

v8 · 11-10-2014, 11:24 AM

I figured the old stuff was better as it poured at a lower temp. Even for guys that do not drive in winter I think its better. Some research I have done indicates, as Andy-AMSOIL in post #8 says that zinc and phos were lowered in the new oil.

wakespeak · 11-10-2014, 01:53 PM

The lower pour point indicates a different formulation of base oils. GF-5 is supposed to be better than GF-4 but both are still very fuel economy biased. It carries the Dexos rating, which means something I suppose. Personally I think an HTHS (film strength) of 3.0 is too low for the LS3 or LSA for anything other than commuting use. My opinion is that it is too thin for sustained high performance driving and it goes borderline quickly with any fuel dilution. Again, just my opinion based on a few years of reviewing lots of oil analyses online as well as testing my own oil.

Keep in mind you only need zinc and other additives if the oil film breaks down. Here is the link for zinc ppm from Mobil across their product line.

GONIF · 11-10-2014, 02:21 PM

WHAT YOU WANT IS , MOBIL 1 0-40 EURO FORMULA. Has much higher ZDDP. Last 5 quart jug I bought at Walmart was $26.00 . Best bang for the buck oil hands down . Now if your in a hot climate with a cammed car ,you can use Chevron Dello 15-40 and laugh all the way to the bank ,cause it is half the price .

Andy-AMSOIL · 11-10-2014, 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by klaatu barada nikto

Have Proof of One cam and/or engine failure directly linked to "the countless horror stories" of Mobil 1?

Just do an online Google you will get many hits.

This occured when the move to GF5 rated oil's was introduced, many highperformance vehicles not only secluded to camaros.

11-09-2014, 01:29 PM	#1
v8 Drives: 19 Z06 Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Oakville Ont. Posts: 1,427	Was the old Mobile 1 better Hey I found an old jug of 5W30 Mobile 1. Probably about 3 years old and when I compared the rear of the jug to the newer jug, the old jug says pours down to -47 degrees. The newer just says pours down to -36 degrees. Was the old oil better? I attached a pic of each rear of the bottles. What do you guys think? Attached Images __________________ Gone but not forgotten: 1974 Corvette Stingray 454 1986 Z28 2009 Mustang GT convertible 2012 45th 2SS Vert 2013 ZL1 M6 2014 Zl1 M6 2014 GT500 2016 Challenger Hellcat M6 www.youtube.com/c/garageking

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11-09-2014, 01:52 PM	#3
v8 Drives: 19 Z06 Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Oakville Ont. Posts: 1,427	Nope but I live up in canada and start it every now and then to move it around. I noticed the rating was SM on the older oil and SN on the newer stuff. I think the older oil has more zinc for protection, but I can't figure out why it pours soo much better at low temps. They are both Mobile 1 5W30. __________________ Gone but not forgotten: 1974 Corvette Stingray 454 1986 Z28 2009 Mustang GT convertible 2012 45th 2SS Vert 2013 ZL1 M6 2014 Zl1 M6 2014 GT500 2016 Challenger Hellcat M6 www.youtube.com/c/garageking

11-09-2014, 06:52 PM	#7
Avenging Orange Drives: 2010 Inferno Orange 2SS/RS Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Clermont, IN Posts: 3,297	Oils are all getting worse. With all the EPA crap, the need for more miles, less pollutants, etc. Technology has improved some aspects of oils.....some good, some bad. Its a toss up. Pick an oil, use it and change it regularly. Best kept secret ever! LOL __________________ 2010 Inferno Orange 2SS/RS M6 Black Leather, Sun Roof, OBX Headers, Borla touring axle back, Cold Air Inductions CAI , non synthetic fluids, BMR total bushing upgrade/1" lowering springs, DSE 32mm rear sway bar. GM fe4 shocks/struts/LCA's, AAM 3.91 diff, Vertini RFS1.8 20x9 +30. Conti ExtremeContact Sport 275/35/20. sjm autoprod ABL dash kit. Mike Norris tuned 413/419. Avenging Orange: 43 years of not buying into the Hype........and damn proud of it!! https://youtu.be/9JD9it6SmB8 https://youtu.be/xmelTlEzI34 KICKING CANCERS ASS SINCE 2015!!

11-10-2014, 11:24 AM	#11
v8 Drives: 19 Z06 Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Oakville Ont. Posts: 1,427	I figured the old stuff was better as it poured at a lower temp. Even for guys that do not drive in winter I think its better. Some research I have done indicates, as Andy-AMSOIL in post #8 says that zinc and phos were lowered in the new oil. __________________ Gone but not forgotten: 1974 Corvette Stingray 454 1986 Z28 2009 Mustang GT convertible 2012 45th 2SS Vert 2013 ZL1 M6 2014 Zl1 M6 2014 GT500 2016 Challenger Hellcat M6 www.youtube.com/c/garageking

11-09-2014, 03:23 PM	#4
Exgie Drives: Porsche 964 Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Denver Colorado Posts: 21	Yes GL4 was better that GL5 oil for a whole host of reasons. I do NOT use Mobil 1 any longer for a number or specific reasons.

11-09-2014, 05:10 PM	#6
Mouse6.2 Drives: 2013 2SS/RS M6 NPP Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: North Carolina Posts: 340	It was my understanding that Mobil 1 used to be a PAO Group IV oil and then went to a Group III Hydrocracked oil. Upset a ton of people when they found out since they were still paying a high price for a lesser oil. But now from what I have read, Mobile 1 is back to a PAO Group IV oil. I need to dig up the source.

11-09-2014, 07:24 PM	#8
Andy-AMSOIL Drives: bicycle Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Digging for oil Posts: 375	When the new rated mobil 1 oil came out many failures of cams, and worst case engine. The horror stories were countless. They lowered thr zinc and phos in the oil.

11-10-2014, 01:53 PM	#12
wakespeak Drives: 2020 ZL1 1LE Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 1,335	The lower pour point indicates a different formulation of base oils. GF-5 is supposed to be better than GF-4 but both are still very fuel economy biased. It carries the Dexos rating, which means something I suppose. Personally I think an HTHS (film strength) of 3.0 is too low for the LS3 or LSA for anything other than commuting use. My opinion is that it is too thin for sustained high performance driving and it goes borderline quickly with any fuel dilution. Again, just my opinion based on a few years of reviewing lots of oil analyses online as well as testing my own oil. Keep in mind you only need zinc and other additives if the oil film breaks down. Here is the link for zinc ppm from Mobil across their product line. __________________ 2020 ZL1 1LE [Moroso SC Expansion Tank, otherwise stock]

11-10-2014, 02:21 PM	#13
GONIF Drives: 73 VETTE ,, 05 2500hd diesel,14 1LE Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: The Left lane PHOENIX AZ Posts: 2,626	WHAT YOU WANT IS , MOBIL 1 0-40 EURO FORMULA. Has much higher ZDDP. Last 5 quart jug I bought at Walmart was $26.00 . Best bang for the buck oil hands down . Now if your in a hot climate with a cammed car ,you can use Chevron Dello 15-40 and laugh all the way to the bank ,cause it is half the price . __________________ OLD GUY FLYING FAST AND LOW