Firearms Section

[Retro69]

Originally Posted by JasonK

AR for Home Defense?? A shotgun is the ultimate home defense weapon. Certain Shotgun shells will not penetrate multiple walls, technically leaving your loved ones at minimal risk, while blasting the sh*t out of the bad guy.

This article by Larry Correia gave me cause to rethink the shotgun-is-best theory ... http://larrycorreia.wordpress.com/20...-home-defense/

[Mr_Draco]

Originally Posted by JasonK

AR for Home Defense?? A shotgun is the ultimate home defense weapon.

What do you mean? The AR is the best home defense weapon, as long as you don't mind killing your neighbors in the process. lol

Originally Posted by Retro69

This article by Larry Correia gave me cause to rethink the shotgun-is-best theory ... http://larrycorreia.wordpress.com/20...-home-defense/

Personally I don't agree with the AR part of that article. I've witnessed an AR filled with .223 frangible rounds go through 5 sheet rock walls, and a brick outer wall before going through a neighbor's wall and stopping in their bedroom.

[2010SS2SS]

http://larrycorreia.wordpress.com/20...-home-defense/

Who?

[kalimus]

Originally Posted by Mr_Draco

What do you mean? The AR is the best home defense weapon, as long as you don't mind killing your neighbors in the process. lol



Personally I don't agree with the AR part of that article. I've witnessed an AR filled with .223 frangible rounds go through 5 sheet rock walls, and a brick outer wall before going through a neighbor's wall and stopping in their bedroom.

You're crazy.

http://www.olyarms.com/index.php?opt...ask=view&id=14

The Bureau’s research also suggests that common household barriers such as wallboard, plywood, internal and external walls are also better attacked with pistol rounds, or larger caliber battle rifles, if the objective is to "dig out" or neutralize people employing such object as cover or concealment. Although it is usually not advisable to fire at targets you can’t see in urban settings, it is done and some subjects have been stopped in this manner. Conversely, the ability of some pistol rounds to penetrate barriers tested puts innocent bystanders and fellow team members at greater risk in CQB scenarios. If an operator misses the intended target, the .223 will generally have less wounding potential than some pistol rounds after passing through a wall or similar structure. The close range penetration tests conducted indicated that high velocity .223 rounds were initially unstable and may, depending on their construction, disintegrate when they strike an object that offers some resistance. When concrete, brick or macadam are struck at an angle at close range, .223 rounds tent to fragment or break up, and ricochets are generally less hazardous. The .223 could consequently be considered safer for urban street engagements, because of its inherent frangibility within the cross-compartments created by street environments.

This too

http://www.olyarms.com/index.php?opt...d=15&Itemid=26

And this

http://www.gunsandammo.com/2012/02/1...fense-caliber/

While armor-piercing and FMJ ammunition is specifically designed to do this, extensive testing has shown that light, extremely fast-moving .223 projectiles (including FMJs) often fragment when they hit a barrier as soft as thin plywood.

And in fact there are dozens of tests done comparing .223 and a variety of other ammunition in home defense situations that all show similar results. 5 sheet rock, 1 brick wall, and ANOTHER wall in a completely different house before coming to a stop? With frangible rounds no less?

By sheet rock and brick wall do you mean 5 paper targets and a piece of glass? I'm sorry brother, I'm gonna have to waive the BS flag at that one...

[shank0668]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

Or buy a reloading press and make your own ammo.

Need to do this.

[IH8OPEC]

Got my order confirmation from Barrett!

I should have my rifle mid July!!!

[Dangeruss]

Originally Posted by IH8OPEC

Got my order confirmation from Barrett!

I should have my rifle mid July!!!

Freaking sic!

[Vroom_vroom]

picked up a safe queen of a ppk! spent the morning at the range and man i am liking this little guy.

[Scrappy Doo]

Nice little gun there

[AZ Charlie]

Best home defense is a shotgun with a light source on it. I have the choice for any home defense weapon imaginable. I have shot through all types of wall surfaces and vehicles. The only home defense weapon I will use is a shotgun.

[Vroom_vroom]

The trouble with a long gun for home defense is both hands are tied up. If some one breaks ink your home it's going to be a close quarter issue with the long gun, unless its a serbu shorty
I like to have a hand to block as you most likely will need to.

[Russo]

Originally Posted by Vroom_vroom

The trouble with a long gun for home defense is both hands are tied up.

what the heck are you going to be doing with the other hand, a crossword puzzle?

[Mr_Draco]

Originally Posted by Vroom_vroom

The trouble with a long gun for home defense is both hands are tied up. If some one breaks ink your home it's going to be a close quarter issue with the long gun, unless its a serbu shorty
I like to have a hand to block as you most likely will need to.

A hand won't block much against those that break into your house with a crowbar or baseball bat.

[Mr Twisty]

You'll use whatever is handy.