2012 2SS vs. 2010 Audi S5

[baller3643]

My friend has an automatic 2010 Audi s5. I just got a manual 2012 Camaro 2 SS. I know that I have the power advantage, but will his AWD let him get the power down quicker? Both cars are completely stock btw.

[8cd03gro]

Originally Posted by baller3643

My friend has an automatic 2010 Audi s5. I just got a manual 2012 Camaro 2 SS. I know that I have the power advantage, but will his AWD let him get the power down quicker? Both cars are completely stock btw.

You should have no problem. If I recall, the 2010 s5 has the 4.2 v8 that is also in the s4. Having a stock automatic in an awd vehicle is pretty poor for launching.

[08-G35s/6MT]

S4 would be a dead heat through the 1/4 mile.... they can pull 12's all day long because traction is no issue.

[scrming]

Originally Posted by 8cd03gro

You should have no problem. If I recall, the 2010 s5 has the 4.2 v8 that is also in the s4. Having a stock automatic in an awd vehicle is pretty poor for launching.

Hmmmm... i would tend to disagree... While a 2.0x 60' is not all that great, it is when the track conditions are less than optimal and everyone else is struggling to pull a 2.2x!! Doesn't seem to matter the track conditions, i can consistently pull a 2.0x and if the track is prepped I'm at 1.9x...

[8cd03gro]

Originally Posted by scrming

Hmmmm... i would tend to disagree... While a 2.0x 60' is not all that great, it is when the track conditions are less than optimal and everyone else is struggling to pull a 2.2x!! Doesn't seem to matter the track conditions, i can consistently pull a 2.0x and if the track is prepped I'm at 1.9x...

Yeah, that's not that quick compared to other awd cars you will see in the 12s though. Not knocking your ability, the auto just doesn't allow you to take full advantage of the grip awd gives you. Not as clear of an advantage over a rear wheel drive car other than consistency maybe. That's not to say it's a poor launch compared to cars in general, but not nearly the launch advantage offered with a manual. A stock auto with awd can brake torque and get a pretty solid launch. A manual with awd can dump the clutch at 5k and come out of the hole like a banshee. A nice loose stall setup can be insane with awd though, that's for sure.

[scrming]

Originally Posted by 8cd03gro

Yeah, that's pretty poor when it comes to awd though. Not much of an advantage, if any, over a rear wheel drive car other than consistency maybe. That's not to say it's a poor launch compared to cars in general, but not nearly the launch advantage offered with a manual. A stock auto with awd can brake torque and get a pretty solid launch. A manual with awd can dump the clutch at 5k and come out of the hole like a banshee. A nice loose stall setup though can be insane with awd.

Got to remember the Brick with driver is 5185 pounds! LOL!

Problem with your dump the clutch method is hoping you can hook! At the track I doubt the Camaro is going to hook on street tires dumping the clutch at 5K! Test and Tune day, it might even be questionable on Drag Radials... The kind of "advantage" you are talking about is probably only going to happen with:

1) Drag Radials, maybe slicks... definitely not street tires!
2) Possibly suspension mods
3) Very well prepped track...

That's the beauty of AWD... I don't need those things! For example, I went out to Lapeer yesterday... so you know it was not well prepped! LOL! Had a 2.01 60' against a C5 Vette that had a 2.20 60'. I had a 1.95 60' against a 79 Z28 (manual tranny with sticky tires..) that had a 2.03 60'. I beat both cars while I was on ALL SEASON RADIALS, not even SUMMER tires!!! LOL!

So while I might not see a huge time advantage with my 2.0x, the AWD let me pull those times very consistently regardless of track condition and on cheap old ALL SEASON tires! At a minimum it makes me competitive against cars that normally would appear to be a lot faster!

[8cd03gro]

Originally Posted by scrming

Got to remember the Brick with driver is 5185 pounds! LOL!

Problem with your dump the clutch method is hoping you can hook! At the track I doubt the Camaro is going to hook on street tires dumping the clutch at 5K! Test and Tune day, it might even be questionable on Drag Radials... The kind of "advantage" you are talking about is probably only going to happen with:

1) Drag Radials, maybe slicks... definitely not street tires!
2) Possibly suspension mods
3) Very well prepped track...

That's the beauty of AWD... I don't need those things! For example, I went out to Lapeer yesterday... so you know it was not well prepped! LOL! Had a 2.01 60' against a C5 Vette that had a 2.20 60'. I had a 1.95 60' against a 79 Z28 (manual tranny with sticky tires..) that had a 2.03 60'. I beat both cars while I was on ALL SEASON RADIALS, not even SUMMER tires!!! LOL!

So while I might not see a huge time advantage with my 2.0x, the AWD let me pull those times very consistently regardless of track condition and on cheap old ALL SEASON tires! At a minimum it makes me competitive against cars that normally would appear to be a lot faster!

You must have misread my post. . .

"A manual with awd can dump the clutch at 5k and come out of the hole like a banshee"

"That's not to say it's a poor launch compared to cars in general, but not nearly the launch advantage offered with a manual. "

Here I am talking about the launch advantage an awd manual car offers over a rwd car being much greater than the advantage an auto awd car offers.

I'm just saying there is a lot less to fear in the launch racing an awd car with a stock auto (not stalled) vs racing an awd car with a manual.

[scrming]

Originally Posted by 8cd03gro

You must have misread my post. . .

"A manual with awd can dump the clutch at 5k and come out of the hole like a banshee"

"That's not to say it's a poor launch compared to cars in general, but not nearly the launch advantage offered with a manual. "

Here I am talking about the launch advantage an awd manual car offers over a rwd car being much greater than the advantage an auto awd car offers.

I'm just saying there is a lot less to fear in the launch racing an awd car with a stock auto (not stalled) vs racing an awd car with a manual.

you are right, i did... mainly since we were talking Camaro (manual RWD) vs Audi (Auto AWD)...

[08-G35s/6MT]

Generally, awd turbo cars suck out of the hole.... Unless you really abuse the hell out of it. The turbo lag slows/bogs it down off the line then the awd slows it down on the top end and add to the parasthetic drivetrain loss, so you put less power to the ground.

[8cd03gro]

Originally Posted by scrming

you are right, i did... mainly since we were talking Camaro (manual RWD) vs Audi (Auto AWD)...

Yes, but he asked if the Audi would be able to put down the power quicker because of awd. I'm just suggesting that the advantage with an automatic is not nearly as great as some have come to expect when they hear the words, "all wheel drive" in a racing discussion. He isn't going to be launching out of the hole with 1.7 60's with the automatic, but will probably be within a tenth or two of the Camaro if the OP can launch. That's all I'm saying.

[8cd03gro]

Originally Posted by 08-G35s/6MT

Generally, awd turbo cars suck out of the hole.... Unless you really abuse the hell out of it. The turbo lag slows/bogs it down off the line then the awd slows it down on the top end and add to the parasthetic drivetrain loss, so you put less power to the ground.

1. The 2010 audi s5 has a 4.2l v8
2. AWD turbo cars only suck out of the hole if you can't drive.

[scrming]

Originally Posted by 08-G35s/6MT

Generally, awd turbo cars suck out of the hole.... Unless you really abuse the hell out of it. The turbo lag slows/bogs it down off the line then the awd slows it down on the top end and add to the parasthetic drivetrain loss, so you put less power to the ground.

All I can say is "not mine!" LOL! Again, while 2.0x isn't blazingly fast, for a 2.5 ton vehicle it sure seems to surprise EVERYONE! I'm actually able to launch under boost, even with the stock torque convertor.... With the EcoBoost there is really no turbo lag! I have no idea about the Audi, but all I can say is the EcoBoost has proven itself time and time again at the track!

[scrming]

Originally Posted by 8cd03gro

Yes, but he asked if the Audi would be able to put down the power quicker because of awd. I'm just suggesting that the advantage with an automatic is not nearly as great as some have come to expect when they hear the words, "all wheel drive" in a racing discussion. He isn't going to be launching out of the hole with 1.7 60's with the automatic, but will probably be within a tenth or two of the Camaro if the OP can launch. That's all I'm saying.

Yep, understood! My observations have been that most Camaros on street tires on a Test and Tune day are 2.2 to 2.4 60'. Occasional maybe 2.0 to 2.1... So if the OP is not completely familiar with running his SS at the track, the Audi will have a much easier time launching, and while it might not have as big advantage as if it had a manual, the Audi's AWD will certainly help level the playing field! IMHO!

[VaporNation]

camaro ss all the way