Comparison Photo of Pfadt vs H&R Lowering Springs - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums

CarNutzCustomz · 04-27-2010, 08:45 PM

With all the recent threads started about height differences between the various spring manufacturers, here is a photo that may help some with the decision process.

Both are 2SS/RS versions.

PfadtRacing · 04-28-2010, 10:10 AM

TWCompetition, thank you for posting this up. This is a useful comparison. The only thing I can add is that we stop at 1.25" drop due to the problems we experienced when we went over that drop. The problems we saw were in damper travel (bottoming out), and it severely affected ride quality, especially on the rear end. This is not meant to dissuade anyone from H&R, but to only tell our experience, with our own products only, and offer a reason why we didn't go lower. We engineered more of that damper travel back in our coilovers for this exact reason, so we could go well below the 1.25" drop, and maintain a great ride quality with OEM damper travel values.

Thanks again for posting this! This comes up all the time.

caverman · 04-28-2010, 11:19 AM

Thanks for posting that....nice to see a comparison.

The look of the lower H&R is nice but personally I think the ride quality might be affected being that low. There is a reason why the majority of Mfgs do a 1"-1.25" drop.

If I was younger or if it wasn't my daily driver I would've probably picked the lower stance but as I'm getting older I'm better off with the compromise of noticabely lower without killing ride quality. Just a personal preference.

Man....picking a sping Mfg is a hard one!

SS Mike · 04-28-2010, 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by caverman

Thanks for posting that....nice to see a comparison.

The look of the lower H&R is nice but personally I think the ride quality might be affected being that low. There is a reason why the majority of Mfgs do a 1"-1.25" drop.

If I was younger or if it wasn't my daily driver I would've probably picked the lower stance but as I'm getting older I'm better off with the compromise of noticabely lower without killing ride quality. Just a personal preference.

Man....picking a sping Mfg is a hard one!

It absolutely is a tough choice, but one that can be narrowed down easily if you ask yourself one question:

Is the look more important than the feel?

I have H&R on my car and it is a daily driver (and I am 26 years old

). I love the way it looks, especially with my 22's on. But the ride quality definitely suffers from it's stance, not so much that it bothers me all the time, but I definitely notice it. For me though, the look of being lower was more important due to me showing my car at different events. If that wasn't the case then I would definitely go with Pfadt springs. Both are great choices, just depends on what matters most to you!

third1 · 04-28-2010, 10:23 PM

To me the Pfadt looks even front to rear. The HRs look to sag in the rear. Both are better than stock.

GearheadSS · 04-28-2010, 10:27 PM

I like the pfadt. The H&R looks too low for my taste.

Dagon68 · 04-28-2010, 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MorphWS6

I like the pfadt. The H&R looks too low for my taste.

+1

2010SLVRBULIT · 05-05-2010, 10:25 AM

Pfadt looks like a factory drop, where as H&R looks AM/custom...both do their job-appearance wise.

Buffnshine · 05-05-2010, 10:39 AM

Great comparison shot, thanks for posting up. I love the look of the H&R worried about a year or two from now after some spring fatigue sets in

Jferrell88 · 05-06-2010, 10:30 PM

nice comparison

ron8879 · 05-09-2010, 08:56 AM

good job on the comparisions...I wonder how the 6's would compare up?

AlSuwaidi · 05-09-2010, 01:24 PM

CGM is just right.. the red is a bit too low in my opinion..

scrming · 05-09-2010, 01:44 PM

I did the H&R on my V6... ride quality is fine... yes, bumps are a tad bit harsher, but doesn't bother me in the least... We trimmed the rear bumpstops a bit and certainly never feels or sounds like i bottom out. Then again it's a 6...

I have about 4000 miles on mine...

I will say some times it does look like the rear sags, but other times it doesn't... Now H&R list the rear as a 1.3" drop but appears I got more like a 1.5" drop... Front is listed as a 1.4" drop and that what I got...

Animation is not perfect... but gives you an idea...

sfgiantsfan9 · 05-09-2010, 02:09 PM

I am really interested in the H&R springs as I love the stance you get with them. I have heard GM changed a part on the camaros being built. Something about a cup where the spring sits or something like that. Mine was built in December. Would the H&R springs work with my camaro?

04-27-2010, 08:45 PM	#1
CarNutzCustomz Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Bellevue, WA Posts: 103	Comparison Photo of Pfadt vs H&R Lowering Springs With all the recent threads started about height differences between the various spring manufacturers, here is a photo that may help some with the decision process. Both are 2SS/RS versions. Attached Images __________________ 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS Cyber Gray Metallic/Black

04-28-2010, 11:19 AM	#3
caverman Drives: '69 SS Convertible Join Date: May 2009 Location: DFW, TX Posts: 7,111	Thanks for posting that....nice to see a comparison. The look of the lower H&R is nice but personally I think the ride quality might be affected being that low. There is a reason why the majority of Mfgs do a 1"-1.25" drop. If I was younger or if it wasn't my daily driver I would've probably picked the lower stance but as I'm getting older I'm better off with the compromise of noticabely lower without killing ride quality. Just a personal preference. Man....picking a sping Mfg is a hard one! __________________ *-2010 Camaro* 2SS \| M6 \| VR w/White Stripes \| 1 3/4" KOOKS - 3" Magnaflow \| LPE 3.91 gears \| ADM tuned \| Halltech w/ADM Scoop \| Spohn/BMR Trailing Arm/Toe Rod \| BC Coilovers\| Pedders FE4 ZL1 swaybars \| Cradle/Diff/Radius Rod bushings \| VMax TB \| Morimoto Projectors \| MGW shifter \| Red Calipers Build Journal

04-28-2010, 10:23 PM	#5
third1 speed freak Drives: 2015i Cadillac Escalade,10 IOM 2ss Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Neenah Wi Posts: 1,143 View My Garage	To me the Pfadt looks even front to rear. The HRs look to sag in the rear. Both are better than stock. __________________ Current:2015i Cadilac Escalade,2016 Lexus RC350,2011 CVO StreetGlide cammed,tuned & loud. 2010 IMO/IO,custom stripes,GFX,sunrf,solo exhaust,JBA shorties,rotofab,Jannetty tune,Pfadt,JLw6 Audison&Hertz,7/4/09 2GIFKIEJ6A9123779Del 7/10/09 Former Camaros 72 LT1 Z28, 86 z28 [SIGPIC]

05-05-2010, 10:39 AM	#9
Buffnshine So Cal Camaro5 Race Team Drives: '10 SS/RS, '06 HHR, '70 El Camino Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Huntington Beach, CA Posts: 2,589 View My Garage	Great comparison shot, thanks for posting up. I love the look of the H&R worried about a year or two from now after some spring fatigue sets in __________________ TEAM L99 - So Cal Camaro5 Race Team #27 9/5/09 Purchased #36962 Black 1SS/RS L99 "E-TCKT" Base Dyno 328hp/341tq @BBK meet Mods to Date: Window Tint 5% & 15%, ACC P13W Lighting, Adaptive DRL Harness, Ghost Armor, Lloyds "SS" Mats, Dash Plaque, Flowmaster Outlaw Exhaust, Drake Front Bowtie Delete, Stealth 3457 Chrome/Mirror Signal Bulbs, Grant Revolutions Steering Wheel, PFADT Sport Springs, Sway Bars, End Links, Trailing Arms, 4 Wheel Alignment, Hurst Auto Shifter and Paddle Shifter, Satin Black Rear Tail Light Bezels

05-06-2010, 10:30 PM	#10
Jferrell88 Drives: black 2ss/rs Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Proctorville, OH Posts: 751 View My Garage	nice comparison __________________

04-28-2010, 10:10 AM	#2
PfadtRacing Drives: 2010 Camaro, 2006 Z06 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: SLC, UT Posts: 3,370	TWCompetition, thank you for posting this up. This is a useful comparison. The only thing I can add is that we stop at 1.25" drop due to the problems we experienced when we went over that drop. The problems we saw were in damper travel (bottoming out), and it severely affected ride quality, especially on the rear end. This is not meant to dissuade anyone from H&R, but to only tell our experience, with our own products only, and offer a reason why we didn't go lower. We engineered more of that damper travel back in our coilovers for this exact reason, so we could go well below the 1.25" drop, and maintain a great ride quality with OEM damper travel values. Thanks again for posting this! This comes up all the time.

04-28-2010, 10:27 PM	#6
GearheadSS Drives: 23 LT1/22 Colorado TB/69 Chevelle Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Greenville, Tx Posts: 4,968 View My Garage	I like the pfadt. The H&R looks too low for my taste.

05-05-2010, 10:25 AM	#8
2010SLVRBULIT Drives: G5(LLT) & C6(LS3) Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: MARS Posts: 7,527 View My Garage	Pfadt looks like a factory drop, where as H&R looks AM/custom...both do their job-appearance wise.

05-09-2010, 08:56 AM	#11
ron8879 Drives: 2018 Camaro RS Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Centralia MO Posts: 423	good job on the comparisions...I wonder how the 6's would compare up? __________________ Fifty years from now, when you're looking back at your life, don't you want to be able to say you had the guts to get in the car?" : *HOTROD2010 VR RPO 14568...flowmaster exhaust, color matched antenna and drip rails, barton shifter, 4 pack gauges, leather armrest, color matched spoiler, and emblem delete, 20x9 chrome wheels HOTROD2018*...RS camaro LT1 Npp Exhaust, SS front brakes package and cooling packaage, black bowties, more updates to come!

05-09-2010, 01:24 PM	#12
AlSuwaidi Drives: BLACK LS3 GCC-Spec Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: UAE - SHARJAH Posts: 2,824 View My Garage	CGM is just right.. the red is a bit too low in my opinion..

05-09-2010, 01:44 PM	#13
scrming Red Brick of Vengeance! Drives: 12 Second Brick Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: at my pulpit Posts: 7,745	I did the H&R on my V6... ride quality is fine... yes, bumps are a tad bit harsher, but doesn't bother me in the least... We trimmed the rear bumpstops a bit and certainly never feels or sounds like i bottom out. Then again it's a 6... I have about 4000 miles on mine... I will say some times it does look like the rear sags, but other times it doesn't... Now H&R list the rear as a 1.3" drop but appears I got more like a 1.5" drop... Front is listed as a 1.4" drop and that what I got... Animation is not perfect... but gives you an idea... __________________ 2011 Ford Flex EcoBoost Limited - 12.727 @ 109.790 MPH

05-09-2010, 02:09 PM	#14
sfgiantsfan9 Drives: Camaro 2SS/RS and 2001 Ford F250 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Tipton, CA Posts: 317	I am really interested in the H&R springs as I love the stance you get with them. I have heard GM changed a part on the camaros being built. Something about a cup where the spring sits or something like that. Mine was built in December. Would the H&R springs work with my camaro?

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