V6 2012 camaro vs scion fr-s?

[SlingShot]

I'd just go with a used Solstice or Sky and call it a day. The 2.0 will out perform all of the above mentioned cars.

[DarkneSS]

Originally Posted by trademaster

The BRZ sti is supposedly going to come with 280hp and 250 ft lbs. If it is geared properly it should be comparable to a 370z in a straight line and it will likely be one incredible track car for the money based on subaru technica international's previous brake and suspension setups.

That is what it really should have been stock...

[Kite31]

This is a cool comparison between the BRZ and the v6 mustang. Maybe it would help a bit.

[VADER SS L99]

Notice the V6 mustang kicks its ass and I believe the 2 cars cost about the same.

[NASTY99Z28]

Originally Posted by trademaster

Yeah I got a little backwards on that one...

[Stew]

Originally Posted by DarkneSS

That is what it really should have been stock...

While it will be great if/when it happens, it wasn't the pont of the car. it is all about feel and driver involvment, even the placement of interior controls are designed for the driving experience, not luxury, and 24k for a car with a DEDICATED SPORTS CAR PLATFORM is a steal and high 14s in the 1/4 mile is hardle and low/mid 6zs to 60 is hardly slow.

[DarkneSS]

Originally Posted by Stew

While it will be great if/when it happens, it wasn't the pont of the car. it is all about feel and driver involvment, even the placement of interior controls are designed for the driving experience, not luxury, and 24k for a car with a DEDICATED SPORTS CAR PLATFORM is a steal and high 14s in the 1/4 mile is hardle and low/mid 6zs to 60 is hardly slow.

Ehhhh no. 14.1 with a turbo?




If the point of the car is feel and involvement, the only feel and involvement you will experience is getting pissed that everything on the road is faster than you and you can barely keep up with Civic Sis.

It doesn't handle better than the Camaro or Mustang to justify taking it over 300 Hp. How often are you even going to push a BRZ/FRS to its handling limits off track? How often will you even get on a track?

Its better to get a Camaro or Mustang, cars that are way more comfortable and FASTER, something you can actually use on roads, and then simply upgrade the suspension. Then you have a car that handles just as good and better than you will ever actually use and that is plenty quick for a DD.

[malave7567]

I actually like cars like this that are small and you can whip around a corner, trying to keep the engine as wound up as you can, little engine screaming. Reminds me of when I used to drive my AE86 or FC3S. My friend has a black FR-S, and to me, it's a blast to drive... Does it have power like my SS? Heck no. Not even like my old LFX. But the Camaros feel heavy and big like boats to me compared to the FR-S. I sometimes miss the small, quick car feel. I've considered it as a car for my wife.

[VADER SS L99]

I would like to name a few cars off the top of my head that are faster than the BRZ and FR-S on ANY track,strip or road course yet cost about the same.
Mustang V6, Camaro V6, Genesis V6, Mazdaspeed 3, WRX, Focus ST. The list probably goes on but you get the point. What is a dedicated sports car chassis with no power to use it? Other than looks I cant see why a potential buyer would choose this car over the many other better offerings. Why would Subaru not just put the WRX motor in the car? To think what might have been.

[L99CAMA2011]

Originally Posted by VADER SS L99

I would like to name a few cars off the top of my head that are faster than the BRZ and FR-S on ANY track,strip or road course yet cost about the same.
Mustang V6, Camaro V6, Genesis V6, Mazdaspeed 3, WRX, Focus ST. The list probably goes on but you get the point. What is a dedicated sports car chassis with no power to use it? Other than looks I cant see why a potential buyer would choose this car over the many other better offerings. Why would Subaru not just put the WRX motor in the car? To think what might have been.

Balance. That's why it doesn't have a turbo power plant. Now if it was mid engine setup oh boy watch out now. Honestly my SS with the suspension mods actually killed the FR-s I test drove around the rotary not to far from the dealership. Also what razor sharp steering are they talking about, the steering is cheap crap to me no where near E46 M3 steering. This car makes me realize how the magazine editors can make fried dough look like a $10,000 wedding cake, or a Timex look like a Rolex. My SS feels heavier but on a track get real, the FR-S in stock form will get demolished. Modded now hopefully that's a different story I hope since I may want to go this route in the future. Same with the Cayman S. I see lots of them getting passed by Boss 302s on track and M3s but editors will claim that even still with just over 300hp they should beat or hang with the 2 mentioned. Also I actually love the Suburu BRZ and FR-s interior.

[Stew]

Originally Posted by DarkneSS

Ehhhh no. 14.1 with a turbo?




If the point of the car is feel and involvement, the only feel and involvement you will experience is getting pissed that everything on the road is faster than you and you can barely keep up with Civic Sis.

It doesn't handle better than the Camaro or Mustang to justify taking it over 300 Hp. How often are you even going to push a BRZ/FRS to its handling limits off track? How often will you even get on a track?

Its better to get a Camaro or Mustang, cars that are way more comfortable and FASTER, something you can actually use on roads, and then simply upgrade the suspension. Then you have a car that handles just as good and better than you will ever actually use and that is plenty quick for a DD.

What? they are still faster and quicker than 95% of qwhat is on the road and the Camaro V5 especially is not much quicker. And no a stock Camaro V6 is not going to handle as well with it's extra 900 pounds, compromised sedan platform, and MUCH higher center of gravity. Feel is NOT about how fast it is, but how quick the turn-in is, how well it holds a curve and being able to actually feel the textures of the road. It is not a straightline car, was never meant to be. it is about handling, feel, and precision. Buy Camaro or Mustang because of comfort? ROFL! You may be surprised, but roomwise and comfoprtwise they are all 3 very close. This car is more about pure driving and let me tell you i know of some roads where one would be a total blast. IMHO, the ponies and the FR-S are in totally different leagues. The Mustang and Camaro are pony cars, the FR-S/BRZ are sports cars and more about the pure driving experience. nothing wrong with either, just very different and each warrants it's asking price. i notice you brought up modifying to keep up with the FR-S? Really. Basically all they would have to do is swap out the Prius tires they come with for some performance tires and those things are capable of pulling a G on the skidpad. The FR-S/BR-Z were designed from the ground up with handing, road feel, center of gravity, weight distribution, and lightweight in mind. As a sports car platform quite frankly it craps all over the current V6 pony car crowd. Let's put it this way, power is the ONLY advantage they have over the twins. Give those cars 300 HP and proper transmission and gear ration and they would be aiming for SS/GT acceleration times and just totally pass-up the V6 variants. That is what a 800-1000 pound weight advantage does for you. I mean come on, people here contstantly bang on the CHallenger 200-300 pounds more wieght, seems rather insignificant compared to the twins massive weight advantage.......

[DarkneSS]

Originally Posted by Stew

What? they are still faster and quicker than 95% of qwhat is on the road and the Camaro V5 especially is not much quicker. And no a stock Camaro V6 is not going to handle as well with it's extra 900 pounds, compromised sedan platform, and MUCH higher center of gravity. Feel is NOT about how fast it is, but how quick the turn-in is, how well it holds a curve and being able to actually feel the textures of the road. It is not a straightline car, was never meant to be. it is about handling, feel, and precision. Buy Camaro or Mustang because of comfort? ROFL! You may be surprised, but roomwise and comfoprtwise they are all 3 very close. This car is more about pure driving and let me tell you i know of some roads where one would be a total blast. IMHO, the ponies and the FR-S are in totally different leagues. The Mustang and Camaro are pony cars, the FR-S/BRZ are sports cars and more about the pure driving experience. nothing wrong with either, just very different and each warrants it's asking price. i notice you brought up modifying to keep up with the FR-S? Really. Basically all they would have to do is swap out the Prius tires they come with for some performance tires and those things are capable of pulling a G on the skidpad. The FR-S/BR-Z were designed from the ground up with handing, road feel, center of gravity, weight distribution, and lightweight in mind. As a sports car platform quite frankly it craps all over the current V6 pony car crowd. Let's put it this way, power is the ONLY advantage they have over the twins. Give those cars 300 HP and proper transmission and gear ration and they would be aiming for SS/GT acceleration times and just totally pass-up the V6 variants. That is what a 800-1000 pound weight advantage does for you. I mean come on, people here contstantly bang on the CHallenger 200-300 pounds more wieght, seems rather insignificant compared to the twins massive weight advantage.......

Looks like you completely missed/didn't comprehend my argument.

[Stew]

Originally Posted by DarkneSS

Looks like you completely missed/didn't comprehend my argument.

I understand where you are coming from, but it is not as slow or as uncomfortable as you are making it out to be. It is just a different type of car.

[DarkneSS]

Originally Posted by Stew

I understand where you are coming from, but it is not as slow or as uncomfortable as you are making it out to be. It is just a different type of car.

High 14s is slow and it barely cracks 13s with a turbo kit. Those cars will cost an immense amount of money to get into the 12s. And don't get me wrong the camaro V6 is slow too (relatively) but it has way more on the table. Bolt ons will generally get it into 13s and we have a guy running low 12s with just a SC.

Both need FI but only one actually moves anywhere with it. As far as comfort, you can't compare the comfort of that little thing to a 3700+ pound car with larger back seats (still small), and much larger seats and leg room/head room. Like you said, its built off a sedan so it is much more comfortable.

I've sat in both and there isn't much a comparison in comfort. I barely fit in the BRZ whereas I feel great in the Camaro.

The BRZ is a great car, it is just horribly underpowered and over priced compared to the competition.