LS3 vs 5.0 yote? motor only comparison.

[ericsson]

Originally Posted by 07-SRT

I know.... motor vs motor, the guy I quoted was talking about having fun at a drag strip... So a 300lb difference explains a 114 mph vs 121mph? for similar power or lower power and still trap higher? My point was people get all wrapped up in dyno numbers and that doesn't always equate to 1/4 mile times/ trap speed
Trans & rear gearing , area under the dyno curve, solid rear axle vs irs etc... all matter

with that said strictly motor to motor, I would pick an LS3 to build......

Yeah I mention drag strip but also track day because the question was which motor performs better without defining in what condition.

[ericsson]

Originally Posted by Firefighter

Well I know a 1SS with the 1LE package can be had for a similar price to your example mustang and there are TT kits available that start around $7K and people are regularly getting 750 to 800 RWHP. See that AGP or Hellion kits. What a mustang does IDK.

I do know that a friend of mine by has an older 4.6L GT with a Kenne Belle 4.0 S/C on it and he is only making what a cammed and bolt on SS makes. Another buddy of mine has a bolt on plus pully Roush with the M90 and is making less than my bolt on SS.

I know these are 4.6L but the response to mods has to be similar...

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Also I know there are cheaper turbo kits but I establishes the 10k price in order to get quality ball bearing turbos.
So again what do you think, we are only talking about installing a twin TURBO kit that costs 10k, and no you cannot modify any internals that means you can't touch the cams on the LS3. Which one do you think will perform better?.
Remember these are turbos not superchargers or pulley driven turbos.

[Firefighter]

Originally Posted by 07-SRT

I know.... motor vs motor, the guy I quoted was talking about having fun at a drag strip... So a 300lb difference explains a 114 mph vs 121mph? for similar power or lower power and still trap higher? My point was people get all wrapped up in dyno numbers and that doesn't always equate to 1/4 mile times/ trap speed
Trans & rear gearing , area under the dyno curve, solid rear axle vs irs etc... all matter

with that said strictly motor to motor, I would pick an LS3 to build......

Agreed... That's why a race is always up in the air. So many variables.

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[Firefighter]

Originally Posted by ericsson

Yeah but those examples aren't valid. First of all is not the same engine, and second i was asking about twin turbo and you answered with supercharger examples and are very different things.

Sorry, I don't know any turbo mustang guys...

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[Firefighter]

Originally Posted by ericsson

Also I know there are cheaper turbo kits but I establishes the 10k price in order to get quality ball bearing turbos.
So again what do you think, we are only talking about installing a twin TURBO kit that costs 10k, and no you cannot modify any internals that means you can't touch the cams on the LS3. Which one do you think will perform better?.
Remember these are turbos not superchargers or pulley driven turbos.

Give me $10K and a stock short block LS3 with TT and I can make close to 1000 RWHP and a bunch more TQ than a Coyote. So I still say LS3.

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[DDJ-SX-SS]

I've owned Mustangs, Camaros a Challenger and even a import, but I never went over to a forum of a different brand and went to a quest to convince all those people my shit was the best and they are all driving the wrong car.
I don't get some of these ford guys sorry. Drive what you like be happy, if your not a fan of the other guys car good for you, nobody cares.

[Norm Peterson]

↑↑↑ You do realize that this thread was started by a Camaro5 member who has two years' membership here?

His list of what's in his garage . . .
1994 Z28 (mine)
2015 Camaro (her's)
2004 Silverado (mine)
54 Belair (her's)

Once a topic goes public, its direction cannot be controlled short of being administratively held within forum guidelines.


That said, yes, be happy with what you drive. Better yet, be happy for the person who is happy with what he/she drives even if it's not the same car as yours. But try to understand that no mfr has a monopoly on all of the better solutions. Here, there are things I like about both engines, and things I'd do differently from either of them if I was designing an engine.


Norm

[MagnumForceGB]

Originally Posted by DDJ-SX-SS

I've owned Mustangs, Camaros a Challenger and even a import, but I never went over to a forum of a different brand and went to a quest to convince all those people my shit was the best and they are all driving the wrong car.
I don't get some of these ford guys sorry. Drive what you like be happy, if your not a fan of the other guys car good for you, nobody cares.

Than you haven't been on the internet long. And why do V8 owners come into V6 threads and ridicule them for spending money on their car?

[i2disturbedSS]

Originally Posted by Grabber

and anything not chevy is junk and GM is the greatest Evar.


:shrug:

I agree that's one Mustang owner that gets it (kidding).

[DDJ-SX-SS]

Originally Posted by Norm Peterson

↑↑↑ You do realize that this thread was started by a Camaro5 member who has two years' membership here?

His list of what's in his garage . . .
1994 Z28 (mine)
2015 Camaro (her's)
2004 Silverado (mine)
54 Belair (her's)

Once a topic goes public, its direction cannot be controlled short of being administratively held within forum guidelines.


That said, yes, be happy with what you drive. Better yet, be happy for the person who is happy with what he/she drives even if it's not the same car as yours. But try to understand that no mfr has a monopoly on all of the better solutions. Here, there are things I like about both engines, and things I'd do differently from either of them if I was designing an engine.


Norm

I realize this thread was started by a camaro owner and forum member. I was not talking about the op, nowhere did I say I was, I was referring to some of the mustang owners on the thread. Mainly because some dude went on a five page rampage trying to tell everyone the 5.0 is the best engine in history an anything with push rods is inferior crap.
That's different than comparing the pros and cons of engines or cars with actual data.

Btw im not a anti Mustang either, I have owned four of them and have a lot of respect for the new 5.0 it's a great engine. When it came to the 2011 -2014 GT vs the Camaro of the same vintage I went with the Camaro because I thought it was a much better looking car inside an out, build quality seemed better and I just liked it more than the stang at the time.
I'm one of a few that's been a fan of both and bought whichever one I liked best at the time.

[DDJ-SX-SS]

Originally Posted by MagnumForceGB

Than you haven't been on the internet long. And why do V8 owners come into V6 threads and ridicule them for spending money on their car?

Lol I don't know why some V8 guys do that, I don't.
I had a 3.6 Challenger so trust me I hear you loud and clear.

[PHXLT1]

Originally Posted by Norm Peterson

↑↑↑ You do realize that this thread was started by a Camaro5 member who has two years' membership here?

His list of what's in his garage . . .
1994 Z28 (mine)
2015 Camaro (her's)
2004 Silverado (mine)
54 Belair (her's)

Once a topic goes public, its direction cannot be controlled short of being administratively held within forum guidelines.


That said, yes, be happy with what you drive. Better yet, be happy for the person who is happy with what he/she drives even if it's not the same car as yours. But try to understand that no mfr has a monopoly on all of the better solutions. Here, there are things I like about both engines, and things I'd do differently from either of them if I was designing an engine.


Norm

Hmm......I wonder who that is?

I started the thread out of curiosity. I've worked on many cars, mostly Chevy's and GM, but on a few fords too. When the Yote first came out there was so much hype around this new Ford motor that was going to out do it rivals. Having never worked on a Yote, I wanted to see what other members would say. It wasn't to start a new war (which a cease fire has never been called on the old one anyway) or piss people off or get anyone panties in a bunch. I knew that bringing something like this up with spark any car person's intrest and love of cars, that comments and replies or rebutles would happen....and I wasn't disappointed.

[GossipSquirrelJelena]

Originally Posted by DDJ-SX-SS

I realize this thread was started by a camaro owner and forum member. I was not talking about the op, nowhere did I say I was, I was referring to some of the mustang owners on the thread. Mainly because some dude went on a five page rampage trying to tell everyone the 5.0 is the best engine in history an anything with push rods is inferior crap.
That's different than comparing the pros and cons of engines or cars with actual data.

Btw im not a anti Mustang either, I have owned four of them and have a lot of respect for the new 5.0 it's a great engine. When it came to the 2011 -2014 GT vs the Camaro of the same vintage I went with the Camaro because I thought it was a much better looking car inside an out, build quality seemed better and I just liked it more than the stang at the time.
I'm one of a few that's been a fan of both and bought whichever one I liked best at the time.

That's his opinion. I've done nothing more than say I see these motors as equals and basically been called stupid! There is just as much passion or fanboyism if you will to go around on both sides of this conversation! This is one of those threads that will only die once the new LT motor goes into the Camaro and people lose interest in the Ls3 or 5.0. There really is no correct answer to this question posed in the first post. None that Can be backed up with fact anyway.

[i2disturbedSS]

This thread might die but the subject will not. Ppl still talk about the LS1 vs 5.0.