Can you run a turbo system with long tubes?

[GRYGUSS]

Can you run a turbo with long tube headers? Have not been able to find a clear answer.........any input would be great!

[Txmxracer]

You technically can. It would have to be a custom turbo system that mounts the turbos somewhere in the exhaust after the header collector. Something like the STS turbo system.
But most (if not all) aftermarket companies utilize the stock exhaust manifolds, because they work properly with most people's power goals. When you exceed the limits of the stock manifold, most companies build a custom exhaust manifold for your car.

[Revolution]

It can be done.. but not in the way I would think you would picture it.. Obviously before the turbo the pressure and temperature are way up. Meaning your traditional long tubes.. say you were to use a set of kooks and re route them to drive a turbo. More than likely over time you will start splitting the tubing at any welds simply because off the shelf headers are not intended for that kind of heat or pressure. Rear mount STS style.. which I would not recommend to anyone you might speed up the air getting to the turbos at the rear of the car but you won't gain any power because you loose all that heat going though a thin wall header versus a cast manifold.

If you use a header in combination with a turbo say a race style setup you are going to use a heavier grade stainless material and design it to give optimum flow to the turbo itself. They have their benefits but again this wouldn't be something I would consider a bolt on or simple setup.

Just my .02

[GRYGUSS]

Originally Posted by Txmxracer

You technically can. It would have to be a custom turbo system that mounts the turbos somewhere in the exhaust after the header collector. Something like the STS turbo system.
But most (if not all) aftermarket companies utilize the stock exhaust manifolds, because they work properly with most people's power goals. When you exceed the limits of the stock manifold, most companies build a custom exhaust manifold for your car.

I read up on the STS system. Seems like people either love it or hate it. I ve been building and planning twards a Maggie but after researching the newer turbo systems, Im rethinking the direction i wanna go. Im looking to get in the 550-575 rwhp range. The "parasitic" nature of a SC is something i never thought much about. The fact the turbos run off the exhaust and not the engine is a great advantage..IMO.

[GRYGUSS]

Originally Posted by Revolution

It can be done.. but not in the way I would think you would picture it.. Obviously before the turbo the pressure and temperature are way up. Meaning your traditional long tubes.. say you were to use a set of kooks and re route them to drive a turbo. More than likely over time you will start splitting the tubing at any welds simply because off the shelf headers are not intended for that kind of heat or pressure. Rear mount STS style.. which I would not recommend to anyone you might speed up the air getting to the turbos at the rear of the car but you won't gain any power because you loose all that heat going though a thin wall header versus a cast manifold.

If you use a header in combination with a turbo say a race style setup you are going to use a heavier grade stainless material and design it to give optimum flow to the turbo itself. They have their benefits but again this wouldn't be something I would consider a bolt on or simple setup.

Just my .02

Was affaid of that. Well if I dont hear any other ideas Ill continue plans for a Maggie. Thank you for the imput!

[Txmxracer]

Revolution's answer is much better than mine.

[carbon8]

do you already have long tubes.

[Synner]

I'm sure it'd be very easy to find someone willing to trade their stock manifolds plus cash for your headers if you have your heart set on turbos. I wouldn't compromise on a 10k investment or you'll always be kicking yourself for it if thats what you really wanted.

[GRYGUSS]

Originally Posted by carbon8

do you already have long tubes.

Yep. American Racing.....

[mcdoogle6969]

Well, the turbo and maggie are two completely different types of power.

If you want to go the turbo route, but want to keep your headers, maybe look into a centrifugal supercharger. Similar power bands as turbo's.

[Kenny_Powers]

I'm pretty sure you would be able to find someone to buy your headers on the classifieds for this forum in a couple of days. If you still have the stock manifolds its a simple reattachment and you are good to go with turbos.

What turbo system are you thinking about going with. I ask because I'm currently looking at turbo's as well and wanted to see the direction some other turbo guys are going. I've been leaning towards the Hellion TT Kit.

[mike25]

would have to be a custom header...going to cost a pretty penny and wont be effective like a true long tube.

[Sack Rat 2SS]

Originally Posted by GRYGUSS

Yep. American Racing.....

Turbos want exhaust heat and velocity, just what long tubes would kill. That is why when able they attach close to the exhaust stream. Plus you need to recirculate oil, water, and scavenge oil if turbo is lower than the oil pan. Plus all the tubing to and from motor plus intercooler with water recirc and on and on. Maggie is simple bolt on with a tune in a day or two. When you sell your car you can remove and sell. More time consuming with turbos. Good Luck

[speedster]

Kinda hard to see, but those are "long tube" headers made to drive a turbo. You can just see them peeking out under the "bigger" exhaust pipe.



If you were talking about maintaining purchased long tube headers then listen to Revolution - they will not like the added heat and pressure if you were to use low mount turbos.

Just my <.02