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762ss · 09-03-2012, 12:26 AM

Hi there. My first post.

Test driven the SS many times, manual tranny. Even though I come from a devout Chevy family (with a couple of dodges too), I tried the Mustang GT a couple of times, and the boss once (dealer wont let anyone take out the 2013 gt500). First time ever driving a Mustang. The Fords all seem so zippy. They are fast. I almost talked myself into getting one with ford track pack and recaro seats. Fords issues with the MT82 gave me a moment to clear my head. It's kind of an important part of the car to engineer and build well.

So... How much better zip will the 1le get over the SS. The 1le gearing and suspension mods, I pray, will give life to the car The camaro SS was fast, but lacked a zippy feeling. Almost too smooth the SS felt. Hope the 1LE has a bit more jerk and zip. At its price point, it is too hard to pass up one. Gotta get one. I know it is better than a GT with track pack. Can't wait for my 1le.

grocerygetter · 09-03-2012, 06:48 AM

Well...I know gearing on a ss makes a huge difference. Other than that...the 1le isn't in gen pop yet.

L99CAMA2011 · 09-03-2012, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by 762ss

Hi there. My first post.

Test driven the SS many times, manual tranny. Even though I come from a devout Chevy family (with a couple of dodges too), I tried the Mustang GT a couple of times, and the boss once (dealer wont let anyone take out the 2013 gt500). First time ever driving a Mustang. The Fords all seem so zippy. They are fast. I almost talked myself into getting one with ford track pack and recaro seats. Fords issues with the MT82 gave me a moment to clear my head. It's kind of an important part of the car to engineer and build well.

So... How much better zip will the 1le get over the SS. The 1le gearing and suspension mods, I pray, will give life to the car The camaro SS was fast, but lacked a zippy feeling. Almost too smooth the SS felt. Hope the 1LE has a bit more jerk and zip. At its price point, it is too hard to pass up one. Gotta get one. I know it is better than a GT with track pack. Can't wait for my 1le.

Weird, every time I test drove the GTs they always felt slow and left me with that , how can these cars be that fast feeling. Have you driven a current model SS. My SS feels a lot peppier than even the 2011 I drove a year ago. Even felt better than my 2011 L99.

Mgizzle · 09-03-2012, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by 762ss

Hi there. My first post.

Test driven the SS many times, manual tranny. Even though I come from a devout Chevy family (with a couple of dodges too), I tried the Mustang GT a couple of times, and the boss once (dealer wont let anyone take out the 2013 gt500). First time ever driving a Mustang. The Fords all seem so zippy. They are fast. I almost talked myself into getting one with ford track pack and recaro seats. Fords issues with the MT82 gave me a moment to clear my head. It's kind of an important part of the car to engineer and build well.

So... How much better zip will the 1le get over the SS. The 1le gearing and suspension mods, I pray, will give life to the car The camaro SS was fast, but lacked a zippy feeling. Almost too smooth the SS felt. Hope the 1LE has a bit more jerk and zip. At its price point, it is too hard to pass up one. Gotta get one. I know it is better than a GT with track pack. Can't wait for my 1le.

I am not sure I agree. I drove the 5.0's too and was left struggling to understand where the speed was. Had no torque down low and only gained some steam up high. Felt a bit European instead of muscle car. In comparison to the SS, the torque was there even low, felt more muscle car like.

As far as "zippy" I am not sure if the 1LE will feel "zippy". It is ~3900 lbs and even the stang is heavy. EVO's and STi's are what I would call "zippy" but not these cars. The camaro will be very smooth but just based on driving a ZL1, it will turn in quickly and feel like a significantly lighter car. I really liked the zl1 transmission too hence am not worried about the zl1.

In the end, if you liked the mustang track pack, the 1LE will blow you away, I am sure. For that kind of money good luck buying anything better. Oh, and there is no replacement for displacement

1977and2010 · 09-03-2012, 09:48 AM

Not sure about the trans gearing with the 3.91 in the 1LE. But adding those gears to my 10 SS made a nice bump in its zip. Between that my cam and all the suspension mods my car feels sooo much lighter than it did stock. I'd really like to drive a 1LE to feel the difference between the two.

bannonm · 09-03-2012, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by 762ss

The Fords all seem so zippy. They are fast. I almost talked myself into getting one with ford track pack and recaro seats. Fords issues with the MT82 gave me a moment to clear my head. It's kind of an important part of the car to engineer and build well.

Here's zippy for you. The 2013 Mustang listed here is a GT with the track pack. Loved the seats and overall a nice looking car, but...

SUKXOST · 09-03-2012, 11:38 AM

Chevy FTW. I'll let you know what I think in a few weeks :P The only Camaro I've ever test driven was a ZL575 SC'd version from SLP so I wont have a comparison to a stock SS but I'll give my impressions nonetheless :P

Bad@ssCamaro · 09-03-2012, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by bannonm

Here's zippy for you. The 2013 Mustang listed here is a GT with the track pack. Loved the seats and overall a nice looking car, but...

What are those times for? and why is an '11 SS faster than a '13 ZL1?

PYROLYSIS · 09-03-2012, 04:40 PM

Chevrolet quotes the 1LE as having the same 0-60 and 1/4 mile times as the SS. Dragoneye's review said it did feel quicker.

2cnd chance · 09-03-2012, 07:31 PM

The Mustang feels zippier (word?) than the Camaro due to its less rigid structure. The same reason the GT500 is harder to control than a ZL1. In the Camaros they feel under-powered due to the fact that the chassis is so much more capable. Whereas the Mustangs feel over-powered due to their less rigid chassis design. The upside is one can take a Camaro chassis farther power-wise with more control.

b4z · 09-03-2012, 08:20 PM

Mustangs also,tend to have more advantageous gearing, especially 1st gear. It makes up for a lack of low end tq.
In the past that is how ford has kept their acceleration competitive.
BMW has been the same way in the past. But now offers deep over drives.
I hear people say that around town a mustang feels zipper than a Camaro or a GTO.
Give those two rear gearing to equal the Mustangs overall gearing and the Mustang will no longer feel zippy, because it has less tq and less tq multiplication.

762ss · 09-04-2012, 01:58 AM

I appreciate the feedback and discussion. I know the Camaro is super fast. The speedo indicates that. I was just wondering how ford made their 2013 302's feel so quick. That is why I said "feel", because the SS's I drove indicated the same speed as ford, but didn't feel like they had snap. And snap is also what I hear a good portion of the ford trannies do...

I didn't realize the camaro rigidity (and IRS?) could make such a fast car feel so smooth that I perceived it as slower (and I know it is not slower).

The ZL1 release and 1LE plans (in May or June) are what got me to try all these cars out. Ford dealer is adjacent to Chevy, so I figure "what the heck." 1LE has a lot to offer for the price. That's the car I want. I asked my dealer sales manager, who's been there 20+ years, about the 1LE camaro. He was the only salesman that knew what I was asking for (this is a few months back). He also remembered my 1995 impala SS.

Ford is also crazy; pricing up Boss models 10-15k over sticker (market price adjustment). A plain street Boss (not LS) is listed at 60K nearby. Nuts. You could get a ZL1 and absolutely crush their cars for that money.

b4z · 09-04-2012, 01:29 PM

This is why Boss 302 owners are taking off the intake manifold and putting the regular Coyote one in. Lack of tq at the low end.

Slickcas · 09-05-2012, 12:42 AM

Part of the zippy feeling is the gearing but also there is what is called tip-in. Tip-in it where OEMs make the 1st 25% of the gas pedel act more like 50%. They do it a lot on 4cy cars it tricks people in to thinking the car has more power then it has. I do not think the Camaro has any but the I think the mustang does. Not saying the mustang needs it but it makes the 5.0 my friend has feel jumpy not near as smooth as my SS.

09-03-2012, 12:26 AM	#1
762ss Drives: Buick Verano, Dodge Durango 5.7 Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Washington State Posts: 3	1LE zip Hi there. My first post. Test driven the SS many times, manual tranny. Even though I come from a devout Chevy family (with a couple of dodges too), I tried the Mustang GT a couple of times, and the boss once (dealer wont let anyone take out the 2013 gt500). First time ever driving a Mustang. The Fords all seem so zippy. They are fast. I almost talked myself into getting one with ford track pack and recaro seats. Fords issues with the MT82 gave me a moment to clear my head. It's kind of an important part of the car to engineer and build well. So... How much better zip will the 1le get over the SS. The 1le gearing and suspension mods, I pray, will give life to the car The camaro SS was fast, but lacked a zippy feeling. Almost too smooth the SS felt. Hope the 1LE has a bit more jerk and zip. At its price point, it is too hard to pass up one. Gotta get one. I know it is better than a GT with track pack. Can't wait for my 1le.

09-03-2012, 06:48 AM	#2
grocerygetter instigator Drives: 2020 6.2 Trail Boss, 2022 XC90 Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: 72034 Posts: 3,979 View My Garage	Well...I know gearing on a ss makes a huge difference. Other than that...the 1le isn't in gen pop yet. __________________ -John S.

09-03-2012, 09:48 AM	#5
1977and2010 Tampa Gulf Coast Family Drives: 1977 Z28, 2SSRS 2010 M6 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Dunedin FL Posts: 810	Not sure about the trans gearing with the 3.91 in the 1LE. But adding those gears to my 10 SS made a nice bump in its zip. Between that my cam and all the suspension mods my car feels sooo much lighter than it did stock. I'd really like to drive a 1LE to feel the difference between the two. __________________

09-03-2012, 11:38 AM	#7
SUKXOST Do you even lift, bro? Drives: 2013 1LE Camaro Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Sumter, SC Posts: 3,159 View My Garage	Chevy FTW. I'll let you know what I think in a few weeks :P The only Camaro I've ever test driven was a ZL575 SC'd version from SLP so I wont have a comparison to a stock SS but I'll give my impressions nonetheless :P __________________ My 1LE (645WHP/597WTQ) build/journal Thread: 1st ever 1LE COTW http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=255461

09-03-2012, 04:40 PM	#9
PYROLYSIS Remember the Charleston 9 Drives: 2004 KME PREDATOR, 2014 2SS/RS/1LE Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Summerv1LE SC Posts: 5,381 View My Garage	Chevrolet quotes the 1LE as having the same 0-60 and 1/4 mile times as the SS. Dragoneye's review said it did feel quicker. __________________ BRING BACK THE B4C POLICE CAMARO! 2002 V-6 5 speed rally red (current camaro) Also driven:1992 Z-28 305 auto Red w/ black stripes (anniversary), 2001 V-6 auto light pewter metallic,1991 RS V-6 auto Black

09-03-2012, 07:31 PM	#10
2cnd chance Too Many Great Choices Drives: Grand Sport/Z07 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: A Mountain Road Posts: 7,454	The Mustang feels zippier (word?) than the Camaro due to its less rigid structure. The same reason the GT500 is harder to control than a ZL1. In the Camaros they feel under-powered due to the fact that the chassis is so much more capable. Whereas the Mustangs feel over-powered due to their less rigid chassis design. The upside is one can take a Camaro chassis farther power-wise with more control.

09-03-2012, 08:20 PM	#11
b4z Drives: '06 Pontiac GTO M6, '19 F150 2.7TT Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Charleston, SC Posts: 1,425	Mustangs also,tend to have more advantageous gearing, especially 1st gear. It makes up for a lack of low end tq. In the past that is how ford has kept their acceleration competitive. BMW has been the same way in the past. But now offers deep over drives. I hear people say that around town a mustang feels zipper than a Camaro or a GTO. Give those two rear gearing to equal the Mustangs overall gearing and the Mustang will no longer feel zippy, because it has less tq and less tq multiplication.

09-04-2012, 01:58 AM	#12
762ss Drives: Buick Verano, Dodge Durango 5.7 Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Washington State Posts: 3	I appreciate the feedback and discussion. I know the Camaro is super fast. The speedo indicates that. I was just wondering how ford made their 2013 302's feel so quick. That is why I said "feel", because the SS's I drove indicated the same speed as ford, but didn't feel like they had snap. And snap is also what I hear a good portion of the ford trannies do... I didn't realize the camaro rigidity (and IRS?) could make such a fast car feel so smooth that I perceived it as slower (and I know it is not slower). The ZL1 release and 1LE plans (in May or June) are what got me to try all these cars out. Ford dealer is adjacent to Chevy, so I figure "what the heck." 1LE has a lot to offer for the price. That's the car I want. I asked my dealer sales manager, who's been there 20+ years, about the 1LE camaro. He was the only salesman that knew what I was asking for (this is a few months back). He also remembered my 1995 impala SS. Ford is also crazy; pricing up Boss models 10-15k over sticker (market price adjustment). A plain street Boss (not LS) is listed at 60K nearby. Nuts. You could get a ZL1 and absolutely crush their cars for that money.

09-04-2012, 01:29 PM	#13
b4z Drives: '06 Pontiac GTO M6, '19 F150 2.7TT Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Charleston, SC Posts: 1,425	This is why Boss 302 owners are taking off the intake manifold and putting the regular Coyote one in. Lack of tq at the low end.

09-05-2012, 12:42 AM	#14
Slickcas Drives: 12' 2SS/RS LS3 IBM Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Odin. ILL Posts: 487 View My Garage	Part of the zippy feeling is the gearing but also there is what is called tip-in. Tip-in it where OEMs make the 1st 25% of the gas pedel act more like 50%. They do it a lot on 4cy cars it tricks people in to thinking the car has more power then it has. I do not think the Camaro has any but the I think the mustang does. Not saying the mustang needs it but it makes the 5.0 my friend has feel jumpy not near as smooth as my SS.