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litle88 · 03-30-2012, 09:50 AM

Daaaamn
* .680 lift on a 110 Lsa
* they supposedly know the "formula" to power
* they don't give you your parts back
* they don't do a trunion upgrade with those spring pressures and lift
* they don't answer or return calls
* the tune and cam and parts are all G14 classified

Sir with all due respect the have a formula to breaking other people's shit and taking more of your money! Is what I have gathered. Tow your car to the shop and demand them fix it and give you your old parts along with the correct parts that they used on your build.
Just my .2 and hope it wasn't that cow character. I have read MANY MANY threads of him and him chiming in on them. G/L

litle88 · 03-30-2012, 09:53 AM

Also what is the car idling at?

briancb1 · 03-30-2012, 11:06 AM

Honestly... If a vendor wants to keep "secrets" about a critical engine component, I keep my credit card number a secret.

This isn't a set of poly motor mounts and the rubber is a proprietary blend. That I could care less about, but my valve events I wanna know about! Its a critical compenent and for any comparisons sake, having a single duration a @.050" does little to no justice on the lobes profile (whats the seat? @.100? @.150? @.200?). Last I checked the cam spun 360*s it would be nice to know what it was doing on at least a few other points.

I don't buy someones "magic recipe" cam, because the recipe was a sales pitch....

Sorry but back to the OP - the only fault you have was trusting this guy with your build. He's a jerk and I hope you get this solved on your own. Good to know "good tuners" throw their customers out on the sea with no life jacket...

Post your findings and the shops name, you will do your neighbors a favor!

EliteCZM523 · 03-30-2012, 02:23 PM

PM'd the OP. I can shed some light on this most likely, but will need his ok to do so first!

Besides that, I would suggest looking to one of the more reputable tuners for future work. My personal suggestion is to stick with ECS, great group of people, proven results.

EliteCZM523 · 03-30-2012, 03:02 PM

Judging by the video, it almost sounds like lifter float....but hard to tell by just watching the video and not seeing it in person.

Dave Coyle · 03-30-2012, 03:41 PM

They scary thing is that you stated that the sound did not scow until after about 100 miles and then you started to here it. I could not really here the exact noise from your vid but my "guess" is one of two things, a collapsed lifter or just one or more that has come loose. I would check each one of your rockers in the proper sequence of rotation and see if any are slightly loose. If they are all "OK" than your problem is something deeper. At .680 lift, if they did not change your valve springs and all your are looking for problems!!!! Good luck.

dekan513 · 03-30-2012, 04:09 PM

go back to the shop and be nice and talk to them if they blow u off then take them to court

S3XPanther · 03-30-2012, 06:09 PM

Hmmm, TonyC or adc174? Anyone remember that whole Paul Conte deal?

TonyC · 03-30-2012, 11:37 PM

its looking more and more likely to be a lifter...i am going to do this myself what should i get as far as lifters...also gonna call ecs and get a proper tune after i can get her back up and running.....what brand lifters do you guys recommend? i see lingenfelter sells the ls lifters for 150 or so...good enough or do i go with something else? i need reliable...the cam from what everyone is saying cant be what this guy claimed..he is blowing smoke...so even if it on the larger side i should be able to work with it...i recieved the trunion upgade whats left to order
head gaskets, manifold gasket, header gaskets,valve cover gaskets and lifters...am i missing anything or should i upgrade anything while i am there?

Crime2 · 03-30-2012, 11:49 PM

Popcorn

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litle88 · 03-31-2012, 09:27 AM

You can reuse your exhaust gaskets, no need for valve cover gaskets, you need head gm mls gaskets, water pump gaskets, a crank bolt and head bolts (unless you get arp head bolts (no need for studs) because you can reuse them over and over). Get you a good chain a good o/p, make sure the engine is nice and clean where the heads meet the motor. MAKE SURE ALL THE BOLT HOLES ARE DRY! If you don't the block will crack. Look at ls1howto.com it's a good place for a little resource to read up on.

MikeOD · 04-01-2012, 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PQ

Did you start it up with the valve covers off? Might give you a good idea where the noise is coming from.

That's not exactly easy to do on a car with the ignition coils mounted on the valve covers...unless you can manage to somehow suspend them all in the air, the coils, wiring harness, and plug wires would get mangled pretty quickly.

PQ · 04-01-2012, 11:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeOD

That's not exactly easy to do on a car with the ignition coils mounted on the valve covers...unless you can manage to somehow suspend them all in the air, the coils, wiring harness, and plug wires would get mangled pretty quickly.

You could if you carefully used my supercharger brace.

PQ · 04-01-2012, 11:10 PM

But, ya, all jokes aside, I didn't really think about that.

And I've had to take mine off 3 or 4 times.

03-30-2012, 09:50 AM	#43
litle88 V8 Lounge member #2 Drives: 2001 Ws6 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Burbank,IL Posts: 6,373	Daaaamn * .680 lift on a 110 Lsa * they supposedly know the "formula" to power * they don't give you your parts back * they don't do a trunion upgrade with those spring pressures and lift * they don't answer or return calls * the tune and cam and parts are all G14 classified Sir with all due respect the have a formula to breaking other people's shit and taking more of your money! Is what I have gathered. Tow your car to the shop and demand them fix it and give you your old parts along with the correct parts that they used on your build. Just my .2 and hope it wasn't that cow character. I have read MANY MANY threads of him and him chiming in on them. G/L __________________ 2001 ws6, 40k miles, Ls3 416 stroker, short block built by PER the rest by me. LPE Ls3 heads milled to 12-1 comp, FAST 102, NW 102, kooks 2", dual DMH cutouts, Magnaflow C/B, BTR cam + springs. Full UMI suspension.

03-30-2012, 09:53 AM	#44
litle88 V8 Lounge member #2 Drives: 2001 Ws6 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Burbank,IL Posts: 6,373	Also what is the car idling at? __________________ 2001 ws6, 40k miles, Ls3 416 stroker, short block built by PER the rest by me. LPE Ls3 heads milled to 12-1 comp, FAST 102, NW 102, kooks 2", dual DMH cutouts, Magnaflow C/B, BTR cam + springs. Full UMI suspension.

03-30-2012, 03:41 PM	#48
Dave Coyle Drives: 2010 SS , 1970 Z-28, 2002 Avalanche Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Michigan Posts: 2,524 View My Garage	They scary thing is that you stated that the sound did not scow until after about 100 miles and then you started to here it. I could not really here the exact noise from your vid but my "guess" is one of two things, a collapsed lifter or just one or more that has come loose. I would check each one of your rockers in the proper sequence of rotation and see if any are slightly loose. If they are all "OK" than your problem is something deeper. At .680 lift, if they did not change your valve springs and all your are looking for problems!!!! Good luck. __________________ IF IT'S WORTH HAVING, IT'S WORTH WAITING FOR!!!! (AND IT WAS) 434RWHP/403RWTQ Livernois Motorsports 2C Cam kit Kooks 1 7/8 LT Headers/Hi-Flo Cats/Corsa Exhaust Roto-Fab CAI / Port Intake Precission 2400/2800 Converter/3.73 AAM gears Livernois Motorsports Tune Best time: 11.97 @ 117 MPH

03-30-2012, 04:09 PM	#49
dekan513 chevy pride Drives: 2ss/rs Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: pikeville ky Posts: 2,141 View My Garage	go back to the shop and be nice and talk to them if they blow u off then take them to court __________________ check out ky speeds fb page https://www.facebook.com/kyspeed

03-30-2012, 06:09 PM	#50
S3XPanther by Odeon Drives: '12 SS/RS A6 IOM SOLD, '13 1LE IOM Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Good question Posts: 1,707	Hmmm, TonyC or adc174? Anyone remember that whole Paul Conte deal? __________________ "It works 60% of the time, every time." "Some say it's a waste of time, others say it's an incredible waste of time." "The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy." 2013 IOM SS/RS - 1LE. Born 5/6/2013 (1 of 32 1SS IOM 1LE's)

03-30-2012, 11:06 AM	#45
briancb1 Drives: C6 Z06 Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Houston TX Posts: 109	Honestly... If a vendor wants to keep "secrets" about a critical engine component, I keep my credit card number a secret. This isn't a set of poly motor mounts and the rubber is a proprietary blend. That I could care less about, but my valve events I wanna know about! Its a critical compenent and for any comparisons sake, having a single duration a @.050" does little to no justice on the lobes profile (whats the seat? @.100? @.150? @.200?). Last I checked the cam spun 360*s it would be nice to know what it was doing on at least a few other points. I don't buy someones "magic recipe" cam, because the recipe was a sales pitch.... Sorry but back to the OP - the only fault you have was trusting this guy with your build. He's a jerk and I hope you get this solved on your own. Good to know "good tuners" throw their customers out on the sea with no life jacket... Post your findings and the shops name, you will do your neighbors a favor!

03-30-2012, 02:23 PM	#46
EliteCZM523 Drives: 2010 2SS/RS Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Westchester, NY Posts: 99	PM'd the OP. I can shed some light on this most likely, but will need his ok to do so first! Besides that, I would suggest looking to one of the more reputable tuners for future work. My personal suggestion is to stick with ECS, great group of people, proven results.

03-30-2012, 03:02 PM	#47
EliteCZM523 Drives: 2010 2SS/RS Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Westchester, NY Posts: 99	Judging by the video, it almost sounds like lifter float....but hard to tell by just watching the video and not seeing it in person.

03-30-2012, 11:37 PM	#51
TonyC Drives: 2010 2SS/RS Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: New York Posts: 194 View My Garage	its looking more and more likely to be a lifter...i am going to do this myself what should i get as far as lifters...also gonna call ecs and get a proper tune after i can get her back up and running.....what brand lifters do you guys recommend? i see lingenfelter sells the ls lifters for 150 or so...good enough or do i go with something else? i need reliable...the cam from what everyone is saying cant be what this guy claimed..he is blowing smoke...so even if it on the larger side i should be able to work with it...i recieved the trunion upgade whats left to order head gaskets, manifold gasket, header gaskets,valve cover gaskets and lifters...am i missing anything or should i upgrade anything while i am there? __________________ 2010 camaro 2ss/rs Afe intake,Ported heads,ported manifold &TB,Big Cam, Arh longtubes w/3",25% underdrive,aluminum flywheel,zr1 clutch, tranzilla 6060, gforce 9" strac 430s...worst tune in the world...dc power 300amp alt, audison/kenwwod/cdt system.pfadt/eibach/hotchkis/bmr susp...vented/drilled rotors, hawk pads,s/s lines work in progress : Full electric power steering & Airride

03-30-2012, 11:49 PM	#52
Crime2 Got Boost? Drives: 2010 1SS RS Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 606	Popcorn Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk. If is spelllled wrong deal with it.

03-31-2012, 09:27 AM	#53
litle88 V8 Lounge member #2 Drives: 2001 Ws6 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Burbank,IL Posts: 6,373	You can reuse your exhaust gaskets, no need for valve cover gaskets, you need head gm mls gaskets, water pump gaskets, a crank bolt and head bolts (unless you get arp head bolts (no need for studs) because you can reuse them over and over). Get you a good chain a good o/p, make sure the engine is nice and clean where the heads meet the motor. MAKE SURE ALL THE BOLT HOLES ARE DRY! If you don't the block will crack. Look at ls1howto.com it's a good place for a little resource to read up on. __________________ 2001 ws6, 40k miles, Ls3 416 stroker, short block built by PER the rest by me. LPE Ls3 heads milled to 12-1 comp, FAST 102, NW 102, kooks 2", dual DMH cutouts, Magnaflow C/B, BTR cam + springs. Full UMI suspension.

04-01-2012, 11:10 PM	#56
PQ Booooosted. Drives: 2010 Supercharged SS Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Mobile, AL Posts: 36,716 View My Garage	But, ya, all jokes aside, I didn't really think about that. And I've had to take mine off 3 or 4 times. __________________

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