TSP 231/236 springs? - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums

samtheman32 · 08-04-2014, 04:13 PM

I got my cam installed with the kit back in march with the PRC EHT .675 springs and just last week I got a knock. Pulled my valve covers off and 2 springs are busted. I never ran my car at the track and this was a daily driver to get me to and from school. I put on maybe 4-5k miles on it? Has anyone else experienced this with these springs? Which springs would you all recommend to put on now as I am not certain with putting the .675's back on. I've heard great stuff about BTR's .660 titanium springs.

This is a 231/236 .644/.613 cam

thahemp · 08-04-2014, 04:23 PM

I have the BTR springs in mine. No issues so far. I'd be checking everything in your valvetrain setup to make sure it wasn't goofy geometry that broke your springs. It could have been bad springs. You could also keep breaking springs.

That_Guy · 08-04-2014, 04:26 PM

Aren't the btr and Manley .660 springs the same exact spring?

12TX2SS · 08-04-2014, 04:30 PM

btr springs. did a shop do the install? if so, id have them warranty the springs. TSP is bunch of good guys, they will get u taken care of.

samtheman32 · 08-04-2014, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by thahemp

I have the BTR springs in mine. No issues so far. I'd be checking everything in your valvetrain setup to make sure it wasn't goofy geometry that broke your springs. It could have been bad springs. You could also keep breaking springs.

I am getting it checked out this Friday. Just trying to see what springs I should take the shop to install after they check it out.

samtheman32 · 08-04-2014, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by 12TX2SS

btr springs. did a shop do the install? if so, id have them warranty the springs. TSP is bunch of good guys, they will get u taken care of.

Lethal performance (San Antonio) did the install.

halo8hkk · 08-04-2014, 04:47 PM

tsp has really good springs, but like any performance spring you cant just get in the car and take off. they like to work better if they are good and warm. also the wrong valve train geometry can break them. not sure if this was the case in yours but it could be a possibility.

Bad70supreme · 08-04-2014, 07:17 PM

Ya I was gonna say that too, make sure your car is nice and warm before you push it. Look into lunati also for springs, they make great products.

BFASTNOTLAST · 08-04-2014, 07:34 PM

Warm oil is key especially how long it takes for the oil to reach the top of the motor.... I use a moroso oil pan heater to help it warm up quicker and to aid in flow for the cooler mornings of winter. Only down side is you have to plug it in every night and unplug in the mornings. But the extra effort is worth it for me. Not that this will stop you from breaking springs but it for sure won't hurt anything. IMO I have read to many failure discussions with those springs. May want to try a different company.

MightymouseSS · 08-04-2014, 09:25 PM

Ive got 2k miles on my BTR springs no issues so far. Even though el paso is always hot like 90 degrees by 8am I still let my car idle at least 2min before I drive off on an initial start.

rberns · 08-05-2014, 07:58 AM

I talked to Brian Tooley a couple months ago and he has people with 50,000 miles on his .660 platinum springs.

thahemp · 08-05-2014, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by samtheman32

I am getting it checked out this Friday. Just trying to see what springs I should take the shop to install after they check it out.

Lethal has several different springs they will install for you. BTR is one of them I believe. I agree with all the others about letting the oil warm up before you beat on the car. I try and keep mine below 2500 RPM when it's cold, and I don't go WOT until it's pretty much up to operating temp @ 200+. I had to stop letting the car idle in the driveway to warm up. It takes too long in the winter and I feel sorry for my neighbors. Light driving will warm the car up too. I just take a route in the morning where I know I won't have to punch it to get out in traffic.

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My mistake... I was thinking Lethal in Louisiana. You've got good suggestions for springs here. Pick one and you'll be fine.

davidcroft · 08-05-2014, 09:07 AM

I have Brian Tooley Racing springs on mine...I always make sure my coolant is at 190 before I go over 2500 RPMs.

WHAMMO · 08-05-2014, 11:28 AM

Its the 1st time I hear about broken TSP springs ...weird.

08-04-2014, 04:13 PM	#1
samtheman32 Drives: 2010 2SS M6 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Texas Posts: 115	TSP 231/236 springs? I got my cam installed with the kit back in march with the PRC EHT .675 springs and just last week I got a knock. Pulled my valve covers off and 2 springs are busted. I never ran my car at the track and this was a daily driver to get me to and from school. I put on maybe 4-5k miles on it? Has anyone else experienced this with these springs? Which springs would you all recommend to put on now as I am not certain with putting the .675's back on. I've heard great stuff about BTR's .660 titanium springs. This is a 231/236 .644/.613 cam __________________ TSP 231/236 cam, Kooks longtube headers w/ hi-flow cats + cat-back, Roto-Fab CAI YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/svtheman95

08-04-2014, 04:23 PM	#2
thahemp Geek Drives: 2012 Black LS3 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Derby, KS Posts: 4,343 View My Garage	I have the BTR springs in mine. No issues so far. I'd be checking everything in your valvetrain setup to make sure it wasn't goofy geometry that broke your springs. It could have been bad springs. You could also keep breaking springs. __________________ 01000111011011110110111101100100001000000110110001 11010101100011011010110010000001110111011010010111 01000110100000100000011101000110100001101001011100 110010000001101111011011100110010100100001 x = ac97968bd3df8f968c8cd3df998a9c94d3df9c8a918bd3df9c 909c94df8c8a9c949a8dd3df92908b979a8ddf998a9c949a8d d3df8b968b8cd1 x = ~x

08-04-2014, 04:30 PM	#4
12TX2SS Drives: 2012 2SS Join Date: May 2014 Location: Texas Posts: 110	btr springs. did a shop do the install? if so, id have them warranty the springs. TSP is bunch of good guys, they will get u taken care of. __________________ 2012 2SS AGM, Roto Fab,Stainless power headers, Corsa ZL1 exhaust, LS3 conversion, Cam Motion 224/232 615/604 114+4, Wheatley Tuned, custom gloss black CCW Drag Pack

08-04-2014, 04:47 PM	#7
halo8hkk Drives: 2000 Z28. 2010 1SS IMB. Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: New Mexico Posts: 1,081	tsp has really good springs, but like any performance spring you cant just get in the car and take off. they like to work better if they are good and warm. also the wrong valve train geometry can break them. not sure if this was the case in yours but it could be a possibility. __________________ 1990 RS = First Car -SOLD 2000 Z28 = SOLD 2010 1SS/RS = Mysstique Whipple Supercharger Dyno= 618hp 555tq at the wheels IMB Silver Stripes VIN#44025 Born: 9/9/09 Delivered: 9/28/09

08-04-2014, 07:17 PM	#8
Bad70supreme Drives: 2010 aqua blue SS/RS M6 Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: plainfield, IL Posts: 2,706	Ya I was gonna say that too, make sure your car is nice and warm before you push it. Look into lunati also for springs, they make great products. __________________ 10.91 at 122 H/C stock block N/A

08-04-2014, 04:26 PM	#3
That_Guy Drives: n/a Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: USA Posts: 305	Aren't the btr and Manley .660 springs the same exact spring?

08-04-2014, 07:34 PM	#9
BFASTNOTLAST Drives: 2012 SS LS3 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Denver NC Posts: 1,411 View My Garage	Warm oil is key especially how long it takes for the oil to reach the top of the motor.... I use a moroso oil pan heater to help it warm up quicker and to aid in flow for the cooler mornings of winter. Only down side is you have to plug it in every night and unplug in the mornings. But the extra effort is worth it for me. Not that this will stop you from breaking springs but it for sure won't hurt anything. IMO I have read to many failure discussions with those springs. May want to try a different company. __________________

08-04-2014, 09:25 PM	#10
MightymouseSS Drives: 2011 LS3 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: el paso tx Posts: 547	Ive got 2k miles on my BTR springs no issues so far. Even though el paso is always hot like 90 degrees by 8am I still let my car idle at least 2min before I drive off on an initial start. __________________ Vararam Stainless Works Headers Vmax TB SLP loudmouth 2 Nightfury Cam Mike Norris CC Tuned by Southwest Speed

08-05-2014, 07:58 AM	#11
rberns Drives: 2011 Camaro 2SS/RS Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: US Posts: 3,291 View My Garage	I talked to Brian Tooley a couple months ago and he has people with 50,000 miles on his .660 platinum springs. __________________ 2011 Camaro 2SS/RS, Circle D 3200, ADM Transmission Cooler, BTR Valvetrain, Cam Motion .621 .595 228/244 113+4, ARH 1 7/8 full exhaust, Cold Air Inductions, Katech C5R TC, Melling HV, BTR SLR lifters, Trunion Upgrade, LS2 Dampner, LS9 head gaskets, Bo White PTB, MM can, GFX, Subs, B&M Deep transmission pan, Holley fuel rail, Proform valve covers, relocated coil packs

08-05-2014, 09:07 AM	#13
davidcroft Sellin Chevy's since '06 Drives: 18ZL1 02Z-28 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: DIRTY SOUFTH Posts: 1,461 View My Garage	I have Brian Tooley Racing springs on mine...I always make sure my coolant is at 190 before I go over 2500 RPMs. __________________ '19 Z06-7Speed and lowered on stock bolts '02 Z28-Kooks true dual headers/TSP heads&cam/full suspension & Kmember sub40K orig miles. https://youtu.be/h6faSdcvNew TRADED!'17 ATS-V Coupe w/ Carbon Black pkg https://youtu.be/GH_t-R-TJV0 SOLD! '18 ZL1 Mosiac Blk SOLD!'16 SS Sedan-Forgestars/ARH/rotofab TRADED!2014 SS Sedan SOLD! 2013 Blue Ray1SS/1LE 1of20. TRADED! 2012 White 1SS/RS

08-05-2014, 11:28 AM	#14
WHAMMO Drives: 13' 1LE Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Canada Posts: 2,642	Its the 1st time I hear about broken TSP springs ...weird. __________________ 13' 1LE Old setup: TSP 231-236/Tick 660/.105 PR, UDP, SW LT 2'' & HFC, stock NPP & H pipe, VR-DRX CAI, air scoop, Goertz1 manifold, 102mm BBK, 26" Toyo DRs, Forgestars R17x10 & F18x8, rear seat delete, remote Pat G tune Autocal, 7400 limiter, Spec Mini Twin. 91oct. 11.90@122.3, 0-60ft 2.0 / 11.99@123.6, 0-60ft 2.1 DA+819 ...519RWHP SAE Solid roller SBE LS3, FED, LLSR, 91oct, 605rwhp N/A. Tuned by Pat G. Build by me.