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I'm not giving up hope yet....Pedders claims the spring rates are proprietary so I did not include them in this discussion as I have no idea what they are and without that info cannot make any sort of comparison
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06-27-2013, 08:07 PM | #30 |
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Well this is the first year for the car (1LE) and there 2 more years to go .When the cars starts showing up at the tracks and people can see what the car can do I think you start seeing more parts for the cars showing up in the after market with a wider range of choice . My old mustang I had spring that lower the car 1/2" , 1" , 1 1/4 " and then there a bunch of shocks & struts to pick from . Right now for 1LE its coilovers or put a 1LE shock and struts with your lowering springs . I am hearing Koni going to make the STR.T line for the Camaro but for us 1LE guys that will be about the same as the 1LE stock shocks & struts need Koni yellows .
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06-27-2013, 08:30 PM | #31 |
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I do think there a market for a 1/2 lower spring for the back of the car that keeps the same linear spring rate as the stock spring dose ( all you got to do is Look at the 55D springs for the Brembo GT mustang) . If there was one out there I would have gotten it. ZL1 rear spring is the only thing out there right now that drop the back a 1/2 inch to even out the ride high and I like trying diff. stuff . For you , you may want a stiffer spring rate a 1/2 drop and some koni yellows . |
06-27-2013, 09:08 PM | #32 | |
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If a 2 second decrease in lap time at the big track of Willow Springs is a decrease in handling according to your speculation... I bought the car to daily drive during the week and track on the weekends. I have the best of both worlds now. Better street ride quality and better handling at the track. |
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06-27-2013, 11:28 PM | #33 | ||
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I keep running the ZL1 rear spring through my head over and over and for the minimal investment (and against my better judgement) I may try it just to see what happens..... Quote:
The big track @ WS is 2.5 miles. 2 second decrease on a 2.5 mile track in a street car can be any attributed to any number of variables including track temps, air temps, alignment setting, fresh rubber, seat time ect. It does not necessarily mean your springs are correct or helped. The sway bars may be doing more work now and that is where you gained your performance. For your situation your set-up sounds like it works for you. This doesn't change that fact that your springs were designed for a platform that under steers and most consumers are more concerned with stance or looks than performance....I am not willing to settle just yet. -Matt
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06-28-2013, 02:33 AM | #34 | |
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As far as seat time I am pretty experienced, I hold an SCCA Pro License, so plenty of seat time... I know that's not the issue. This isn't a race car by any means, but indeed a very capable street car that does well and feels comfortable on the track. If I were to track the car more of course I would put a proper coil over, at least 2 way adjustable. But I have dedicated track cars so there is no point. If I were you I would just get a street coil over so you can have whatever spring rate you would like and whatever amount of drop as well. |
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06-28-2013, 07:38 AM | #35 | |
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Did you see an improvement in lap times after the swaybars were installed before the springs? This is a different topic, but the 1LE is stiffer than the Zl1 and has less body roll from the get go.
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06-28-2013, 08:50 AM | #36 | |
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So I'd have to agree with you on what you initially said. The combination works well together, and I may or may not have left something on the table as far as springs go. Donald |
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06-29-2013, 06:11 AM | #39 |
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So is there a rear spring available for the 1LE that will lower it an inch and not affect the ride quality?
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06-29-2013, 02:06 PM | #40 |
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Not that I have found yet.
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Your best shot would be springs that are truly progressive rate (not just dual-rate springs sold as being progressive), combined perhaps with bumpstop modification that's more carefully considered than simply chopping them down. Whether such springs currently exist or if you'd need them custom-wound is a separate question. Norm |
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06-30-2013, 09:34 AM | #42 |
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I consider it unlikely vendors will come out with a 1LE specific spring since most track focused builds will go to coilovers anyways. I'd look at stiffer minimal drop single rate springs as a compromise, I don't like variable rate for any kind of track duty.
BC ER's are probably the best deal going for a track car although its a significant difference between $300 springs and 1800 coilovers. Mine have performed amazing and allow for fine tuning of under/over steer and track conditions. To get a truly track optimized spring setup you'd need to be done modifying everything on your car, stick to one kind of track, and probably get custom rates while never changing tire size/type. Meh. I'll never be done modding. Its an incurable disease. |
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