Z28 Fan...

[OldScoolCamaro]

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

kudzu, stay the course...at least for another 9 months (or sooner?). By that time, we'll know if a Wixom'd "Pedderized" canyon-carver will show up @ a ChevyShack near you...

...roger that Lowdown...and I am following that current line of thought myself. I have been compelled to join the Z28 rebellion. That's the star on the horizon I am watching. I don't want compromise. Not for almost 60K. "Return of the Z28, Episode 5", starring the LS7. 10.2012

[kudzu74]

I have to admit that it would be nice to have a second camaro just for cruisin' if they could make a nice LS7 Z28 Convertible...I'm in for it being the wife beater...or rather letting the wife have that one as her toy! After all, I bought her a 94' V6 T-top Pontiac Firebird for $600.00, so she would stay away from my 94' Z28 T-top. Go figure, I don't like sharing my toys even with the wife though I do let her drive on occasion, so I don't feel guilty that its just MINE!!! LOL

[2SSJIM]

I think you are building the Z28 into this supercar and I believe it will lead you to disapointment when it actually comes out. If Chevy follows the badging of the Camaro line, the Z28 never had more power than the SS and was just a suspenstion package so I think it will come out as an option package for the SS later on but like everyone else.... I'm just guessing.

[wildpaws]

Originally Posted by 2SSJIM

I think you are building the Z28 into this supercar and I believe it will lead you to disapointment when it actually comes out. If Chevy follows the badging of the Camaro line, the Z28 never had more power than the SS and was just a suspenstion package so I think it will come out as an option package for the SS later on but like everyone else.... I'm just guessing.

Just a suspension package?? Either you really don't understand how the Z/28 started and what it was or you are simply choosing to ignore reality.
Clyde

[Fightinfire921]

Originally Posted by 2SSJIM

I think you are building the Z28 into this supercar and I believe it will lead you to disapointment when it actually comes out. If Chevy follows the badging of the Camaro line, the Z28 never had more power than the SS and was just a suspenstion package so I think it will come out as an option package for the SS later on but like everyone else.... I'm just guessing.

Don't under estimate the 302.

The Camaro has option packages not the SS.

Originally Posted by wildpaws

Just a suspension package?? Either you really don't understand how the Z/28 started and what it was or you are simply choosing to ignore reality.
Clyde

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by 2SSJIM

I think you are building the Z28 into this supercar and I believe it will lead you to disapointment when it actually comes out. If Chevy follows the badging of the Camaro line, the Z28 never had more power than the SS and was just a suspenstion package so I think it will come out as an option package for the SS later on but like everyone else.... I'm just guessing.

Some 1st gen SS's were more powerful than the Z28, but I'd bet most weren't. Ignore the factory rating, its common knowledge that the 302 was substantially under rated at 290 hp. Some say it made 350 hp, others claim 400. Either way, you'd have to get one of the top engines in the SS to have more power than a Zedder. The standard 350 small block just wouldn't cut it.

If you are thinking of the 4th gen, all SS's were Z28's anyway.

[boxmonkeyracing]

Originally Posted by wildpaws

Just a suspension package?? Either you really don't understand how the Z/28 started and what it was or you are simply choosing to ignore reality.
Clyde

AMEN!

[OldScoolCamaro]

Originally Posted by 2SSJIM

I think you are building the Z28 into this supercar and I believe it will lead you to disapointment when it actually comes out. If Chevy follows the badging of the Camaro line, the Z28 never had more power than the SS and was just a suspenstion package so I think it will come out as an option package for the SS later on but like everyone else.... I'm just guessing.

Sorry,..but...thats all a fallacy....

[2SSJIM]

I'm just saying, don't expect the Z28 to be this all powerful car your making it out to be. You do and your going to be disappointed and probably start bashing GM when it would be uncalled for. Most all engines back in then were underrated so don't get me wrong, I liked the Z28, but like I said, it took what was already out there in the 60's/70's and added a great performance suspention and a few other details. But the 302, the transmission, the body style, interior, rearend already existed just like the ZL1 will be... take parts already available, improve apon them and put them in a great body styled car. So would you then be disappointed it the Z28 was a turbo charged 2LT with the SS suspention, transmisson and rearend? Not saying that's what it will be, but what if it is? It wouldn't be the SS but it would have as much power but might perform better. We all know sooner or later that a Z28 version will come out, just don't be disappointed if it's not what you exspect...... this is a Camaro, not a Corvette or a Caddy.

Also - google 1967 camaro facts... nevermind; here read:
1967 FACTS
Some odds & ends of info.



1967 FACTS
Excerpted from Michael Antonick's White Book
The first Camaro model was the 1967, introduced on September 26, 1966. At the time of introduction, several important options were not available. These included the RPO-Z28 Special Performance Package, and the 396-cid displacement engine for Camaro SS models.
The 1967 model was the only first generation Camaro to have both rear shocks mounted forward of the rear axle. Later years changed to a staggered arrangement to counter wheel hop. The 1967 was the only Camaro to feature a right-side traction bar, also to counter wheel hop. The traction bar was standard equipment for all Z28 models, and was installed on other high performance models.
The 1967 Camaros did not have side marker lights.
The 1967 Camaro was the only Camaro model to have its VIN tag mounted to the door hinge pillar. The VIN tags of later models moved to positions visible through the windshield.
The bumblebee nose stripe was part of the SS package at the start of 1967 production, but became a separate option (RPO-D91) in March 1968.
Chevrolet built three special Camaro pace cars for the 1967 Indianapolis 500 auto race. It also built 78 lookalikes for complimentary use by race officials and dignitaries during the month preceding the race. After the race, these lookalikes were sold to the public as used cars. All were white SS/RS convertibles with Bright Blue custom interiors. Other options varied. All had "Chevrolet Camaro Official Pace Car 51st Annual Indianapolis 500 Mile Race - May 30, 1967" decals on their doors. (Chevrolet also built anywhere from 100-560 Pace Car Replicas for a special "Pacesetter" campaign which ran through June, plus 21 cars exported to Canada. The actual number of these cars is unknown, this number is my guess - Greg McGann)
When first introduced in September 1966, the 1967 Camaro SS came only with a 350-cid engine, an engine displacement exclusive to the Camaro within the Chevrolet line that year. In November 1966, the 396-cid engine was added to the SS option list.
Though similar to 1968, the 1967 instrument panel was unique to the year. Its padding did not fold over the corners as did the following year. And, with the exception of air conditioned models, the 1967 instrument panel did not have the side air (Astro Ventilation) vents.
The ignition for the 1967 model (and 1968) was located on the dash.
The first Z28 models were built starting on December 29, 1966, and low volume delivery began in January 1967. The Z28 was initially developed as a contender for the SCCA (Sports Car Club of America) Trans Am sedan racing series. The series had a displacement limit of 305 cubic inches which the Z28 met by combining a 327-cid Chevrolet block with a 283-cid Chevrolet crankshaft for a 4" x 3" stroke that yielded 302.3 cubic inches.
The "Z" in Z28 was at first nothing more than another option code, along with others like Z23 for the Special Interior Group, or Z87 for the Custom Interior. But the Z28 had a special ring to it and became the model's official name. However, the Z28's built in 1967 carried no external identification other than wide racing stripes. Convertibles could not be ordered with the ZZ8 option.
Chevrolet listed curb weights for the 1967 Camaro as 2,910 pounds for the 6-cylinder coupe, 3,070 pounds for the 8-cylinder coupe, 3,165 pounds for the 6-cylinder convertible, and 3,325 for the 8-cylinder convertible. Add 21 pounds for power windows, 20 pounds for the folding rear seat, 86 pounds for air conditioning, 9 pounds for power brakes, 23 pounds for front disc brakes, 10 pounds for the 250-cid 6-cylinder engine, 39 pounds for the 327-cid V-8 engine, 72 pounds for the 350-cid V-8 engine, 258 pounds for the 396-cid V-8 engine, 7 pounds for the four speed manual transmission, 14 pounds for the Powerglide, 56 pounds for the Turbo Hydra-Matic, 38 pounds for dual exhaust, 29 pounds for power steering, 15 pounds for heavy duty battery, 8 pounds for an AM radio, 9 pounds for an AM-FM radio, and 17 pounds for the Rally Sport.
The 1967 was the only Camaro model to feature side vent windows.
The headlight door covers of the 1967 Camaro were electrically operated. Later model years were vacuum operated.
All 1967 Camaros had single leaf rear springs.
The center console design used in 1967 was unique to the year. Additionally, the design of the optional instrument grouping which mounted to the console was unique to 1967. The secondary instrument cluster consisted of fuel gauge, temperature gauge, oil gauge, ammeter, and clock.
The first 1967 Camaro built at the Norwood, Ohio, plant had a VIN ending in N100001; the first built at the Van Nuys, California, plant had a VIN ending in L100001.

[kudzu74]

Wasn't the rumor before we knew the ZL1 was the ZL1 that chevy was going to be producing a supercharged camaro that was most likely to be called the Z28? I pretty much believed that to be true at the time and was glad that the Z28 was going to take the flagship spot of the camaros once again where it belonged compared to the SS. As for some of the above statements its true that all the 4th generation SSs were Z28 with the SS option package. I think that most of the BC4s were Z28 with options removed so the LEOs couldn't have too much fun at work other than a better suspension and less restrictive intake/exhaust on the LT1 and LS1. Anyhow, I just like to listen to rumors and start a few and see where they go but its hard to fact check anything now a days with all the little things that get thrown into the fish pond. However, I swear that Jay Leno should be kicked in the rear for saying a V6 turbo should be called a Z28...I mean WTF is he thinking, right? Plus, Chevrolet should do something useful with all those LS7s and camaros have always gotten the handme downs from the vette'. Just sayin'...

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by 2SSJIM

I'm just saying, don't expect the Z28 to be this all powerful car your making it out to be. You do and your going to be disappointed and probably start bashing GM when it would be uncalled for. Most all engines back in then were underrated so don't get me wrong, I liked the Z28, but like I said, it took what was already out there in the 60's/70's and added a great performance suspention and a few other details. But the 302, the transmission, the body style, interior, rearend already existed just like the ZL1 will be... take parts already available, improve apon them and put them in a great body styled car. So would you then be disappointed it the Z28 was a turbo charged 2LT with the SS suspention, transmisson and rearend? Not saying that's what it will be, but what if it is? It wouldn't be the SS but it would have as much power but might perform better. We all know sooner or later that a Z28 version will come out, just don't be disappointed if it's not what you exspect...... this is a Camaro, not a Corvette or a Caddy.

I won't bash GM simply doing something other than what I'd like. I would bash them for doing something stupid, like making a track-centric car a turbocharged V6. Why? Because it would be heavier than a NA V8, (probably) make less power, and be more prone to heat soak. In the end, it would hurt performance relative to the SS in every way besides fuel economy.

Now, you say that the Z28 was 'taking what was available', I disagree but for the sake of argument, lets just say it is. Isn't the LS7 availible? Meanwhile, other things like a TTV6 or an uptuned LS3 are not availible. So using your own logic, an LS7 would be holding true to what they've done in the past, wouldn't it?

Also, those of us that want an LS7 in the Z28 don't want it specifically because we want it to be more powerful than the SS. Thats secondary really. We want a kickass track car. Best way to accomplish that is to use an LS7. Simple as that.

[2SSJIM]

Like I keep saying..... Don't be disappointed with want GM comes out with........ IF they come out with it. We can only hope what GM will do with it if it does. The fact is, all these folks on here that want a track car (I assume to do racing) or a drag car, why don't you order the Camaro body, put whatever you want in it, make whatever you want out of it and call it whatever you want to call it. Why should you expect Chevy to build it for you...... just saying!

[boxmonkeyracing]

Originally Posted by 2SSJIM

Like I keep saying..... Don't be disappointed with want GM comes out with........ IF they come out with it. We can only hope what GM will do with it if it does. The fact is, all these folks on here that want a track car (I assume to do racing) or a drag car, why don't you order the Camaro body, put whatever you want in it, make whatever you want out of it and call it whatever you want to call it. Why should you expect Chevy to build it for you...... just saying!

first read my signature.

second. I want a car that I can drive during the week if I choose and take it to the track on the weekend. I.e. Z06 like camaro.

you are such a negative nancy.

[wildpaws]

Originally Posted by boxmonkeyracing

first read my signature.

second. I want a car that I can drive during the week if I choose and take it to the track on the weekend. I.e. Z06 like camaro.

you are such a negative nancy.

boxmonkey racing, you have to realize that you're replying to the same person that tried to educate us about the Z/28 by quoting several paragraphs from an article that said virtually nothing about the Z/28 other than it existed and when it was first produced. Some people just don't get it and it is pointless to argue with them, I say just let them babble on with their nonsense and the rest of us can continue with informed and knowledgeable discussions.
Clyde