12.68@113.67 with just LT and CAI

[TAG UR IT]

^As times change, so do rules. This is in fact, how rules become rules...something happens resulting in change. Well, we learn from the past and make rules to help for the future. As Junkie said, the problem was noted, corrected, and we now are ALL ON THE SAME PAGE.


FOR THE RECORD....

I think that there's two ways to look at the fast times threads.

There's:

1. What is your fastest time in the 1/4 with your particular mods?

and

2. Who is the better driver(by means of fastest times) for their modification class?...(stock, modded w/ headers, etc). This includes following all rules...lights, time slip info, etc.

The official list follows #2.

If you don't believe in it, so be it. That's your call.

If you simply believe in who's got the fastest car for that particular mod and don't care about anything else, then cool for you. Follow the other list.

No one is making anyone follow any particular list. You follow what you want. You go by what you want...doesn't matter to us (or me, at least).

What DOES matter is this.

Junkie made an official list. He put the rules in there for the official list for THIS SITE. If you agree, good. If not, fine....go to the other thread. If you want to make this OFFICIAL thread, FOLLOW THE DARN RULES. Is it that hard to understand?

NO. We don't have to create a poll.

Yes. We COULD "what if" it to death....

But really...what lengths are we going to have to go to in order to verify the times? Are we going to have to force the person to have video of each run? And what if the date on the camera is off, what do we do? Hold up...I'm beginning the what if's now too....oh boy...

This is just something like anything else that has to be worked with as time goes on. We now know the rules for the "official fast list" and worked with members to get an unofficial fast list which included red lights and other scenarios.

But really...let's face it. We can't make everyone happy 100% of the time. But, we can sure try to do our best. Some already obviously agree...and some don't. But, we are trying.


(and for those who ran quicker times, red lighted, and are off the list, why so upset??? You, yourself, know....YES. You have a pretty D@MN fast car! BE HAPPY!!!!)

[8ty8 ls1]

its funny how this is the only site that cares about reaction times for a "fast list". ls1tech (which has been the authority on lsx based vehicles since the beginning) has NEVER counted reaction times because the whole idea of a "fast list" is to compare and contrast the VEHICLES not the DRIVERS. IMO (and many others as well as i'm reading) is that having to different lists because of reaction time is utterly ridiculous. what makes this board so special that it can just do away with the actual format of a "fast list"? i'm sorry, but this really leaves a bad taste in my mouth. this is not at all because i was removed from the top of the list at all. i could have been number 20 on the list and just the principal alone is insane. i'm not a comp racer. i have tested and tuned all my life and i leave when i'm damn well good and ready; whether the light is green or not. the car will run what its going to run regardless of when i leave. so if you're going to use reaction times as part of the governing system, you should have specified that from the start. and as i posted in the "Official" list, you have still yet to stipulate any kind of reaction time clause. i say get on the ball gentlemen.

[8ty8 ls1]

Originally Posted by TAG UR IT

But really...what lengths are we going to have to go to in order to verify the times?

you shouldn't have to go through any lengths. it is what the slip says. ET is ET is ET.

[coolman]

I don't understand why you guys that red lighted would be upset. All I'm saying is go try again without red lighting. You'll just prove it even more that the car can do it. Are you worried that the car wouldn't ever run that time again or what?

[1320junkie]

For those who want immediate action on this topic:

I am posting form my cell phone for a few days as I am on other business so excuse my post if they come off direct and to the point. The list is the list we have an unofficial list and a official list. If that doesn't solve your issues I apologize.

[J-Rod6410]

man this is getting good!!!!

I just don't understand how you can red-light with a positive reaction time

Whenever I or anybody else has red-lighted the time slip shows a NEGATIVE time. He shows a POSITIVE .468 or so. Sounds to me like the guy running the clock is the same dumbass putting the dates on the timeslip



Just my .02.

Continue gentlemen...

[o2camaross]

Yep bc he put the wrong date on the timeslip I can't even be on the unofficial list

[1320junkie]

Why not continue all of these discussions in the discussion thread where it belongs?

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31174

[coolman]

Originally Posted by 1320junkie

Why not continue all of these discussions in the discussion thread where it belongs?

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31174

thanks junkie didn't know about it.

[1320junkie]

Originally Posted by coolman

thanks junkie didn't know about it.

lol..no problem it's in the first post of the fast thread also..lol

[freemaSSon]

Well here is a thought.....

How about splitting this thread because o2camaross's thread got JACKED with all this red light debate!

Just my .02

[1320junkie]

Originally Posted by freemaSSon

Well here is a thought.....

How about splitting this thread because o2camaross's thread got JACKED with all this red light debate!

Just my .02

on cell phone..cant do it from here

[JP2010SS]

Running just like mine