04-19-2013, 06:40 PM | #183 |
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Very nicely put Doc, well written. Having the perspective and wisdom of years certainly helps to bring the bigger picture into focus.
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04-19-2013, 07:23 PM | #185 |
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The spool-valves allowed the Z/28 TEAM to tune with an exceptionally high degree of precision. The Z/28 TEAM tuned more than the dampers. They tuned the entire car including aero for road course performance. by themselves they don't mean much. As a complete Z/28 they are key components.
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04-19-2013, 07:56 PM | #187 |
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....it's the whole enchilada....dressed to the nine's...man I'm dreamin' evvvvery day about that ride....
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04-19-2013, 09:25 PM | #188 | |
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And no - no factory wants the image but yet their cars all get faster and faster every generation. Why did Ford opt for the 5.8 for the new GT500 when the 5.4 made quite a bit of power? Also a few years back there were two idiots street racing locally (an 01 Mustang and a 02 Z28) one lost control hitting a minivan killing the mother driving it. There are plenty of dumb humans out there and some are capable of buying these cars. Hell I just saw a 2002 Z06 for 19k with 50k miles on it. Wait to the new batch of High school seniors get ahold of that car. 400hp in a tail happy car like that. And a bank will easily finance that loan if you a job even at the local McDs. I am actually seriously thinking of a 14 1LE (i really love the redesign) and going this route of making both a track car and a strip car that i can drive daily. The Z/28 was what i wanted (the LS7 not the badge) but imo took it a bit too far. I personally would have offered it as a SS 427 then offered the brakes, aero, etc as the Z/28 option. Give those who wanted the LS7 the engine they wanted and those who wanted the track beast could get that. Maybe I can get an accounting job at GM. And I agree - the cars available today are great |
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04-19-2013, 09:40 PM | #189 |
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The LS7 is a dirty motor at idle. That is why the Z/28 will be a very limited production run -- limited LS7 availability due to emission restrictions.
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04-19-2013, 09:48 PM | #190 | |
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the ZL1 has all the bells and whistles for just 5k more plus 80 more hp. Someone who wants a fast car walks into a dealership with both cars sitting next to each other but has no clue of the performance behind either will probably drive away with the ZL1. 50k is an expensive car on matter how you slice it. Then with all the stuff on the Z - it is an expensive to drive car as well. |
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04-19-2013, 10:10 PM | #191 | |
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04-19-2013, 10:20 PM | #192 | |
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Instead of building a car that goes fast in the straights, they are now building a car that encourages people to push it to the limits, to take turns harder and faster, bc the car is that much more capable. You have a car in the new Z/28 that is designed for the race track that can be driven on the street, how does that not give the image of a street racer? The z is being advertised as a race car you can drive on the street, how does that not encourage activities that are illegal in every state? There are stupid people everywhere and they will do stupid things in any car. All I'm saying is your argument against the straight line cars also applies to many performance cars |
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04-19-2013, 10:49 PM | #193 | |
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The Camaro SS, 1LE and ZL1 are plenty good as starting points to build out your dream street car. If you don't want to build it yourself there are quite reputable shops who are forum sponsors that can take your car to whatever level you desire. The new Z/28 is going to fit a particular segment of affluent customers who do in fact go to the track. It remains to be seen how large that segment is going to be but it may be larger than people think once the "official" track performance numbers are revealed. Mark Stielow is a phenomenally talented engineer-builder-driver and he absolutely "gets it" when it comes to performance and how to achieve it. I would bet money he and his team are still fiddling/tweaking the performance and settings of the Z before it's committed to production. What Justice Pete was trying to tell everybody is these guys absolutely understand what's necessary to make a killer track car and THEY ARE DOING IT.
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04-19-2013, 11:13 PM | #196 |
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i meant 50k because of the lower price one would figure would be more accessible of a car
but yeah you are right - everyday that passes i am more convinced that this car will push 60msrp and closer to 70 with the dealer. Id build a 69 pro touring z/28 before i would buy this one at that price |
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