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10-20-2014, 09:39 AM | #366 | |
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10-20-2014, 09:46 AM | #367 | |
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Hey, if he's right about all this I'll confirm wizard status, but I'd rather see it for myself. A Mustang6 owner posted the weight of his car on the scale, and this is all I really need from someone throwing out numbers. I need to see it for myself. I can't help but LOL @ the tire argument over there. How are we going to swap tires on the Mustang, but not on the Camaro? Run what ya' brung. |
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10-20-2014, 10:26 AM | #368 | |
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GT starting MSRP 32,925 with destination charge SS starting msrp 34,500 |
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10-20-2014, 10:43 AM | #370 |
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Tested weights are 3700-3800+ pounds.tjats just what it weighs.
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10-20-2014, 11:08 AM | #371 | |
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And thirdly, he's making the numbers up with estimates. I was reading that thread and you made some good points about the actual weight loss of the seats could be. I don't know what happened after you guys took it to PM's but I'm pretty sure he didn't divulge some mysterious proof of a stock GT weighing 3577lbs. |
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10-20-2014, 11:40 AM | #372 | |
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When you are producing a new model on an existing platform it generally takes 3-5 years to do. When you are producing a new car on a completely new platform with new engines it can take 8-10 years to design and engineer said vehicle. As far as what happened to the 2015 Mustang, I heard that in the middle of development Ford decided that this platform will be used to underpin a Lincoln. The result of that is they changed some things and added some things (which added mass) that the Lincoln version would want/need. It is possible that this threw off suspension geometry and changed certain targets and they didn't have enough time to get the car completely dialed in. Instead of delaying it they wanted it to be that 2014 1/4 vehicle in remembrance of the 1964 and 1/4 launch. I hope it isn't that Ford didn't bench mark the Camaro at all when they developed this new Mustang out of hubris. That they saw early on how the Camaro was performing and said no threat there, because if that is the case then a huge blunder it may turn out to be. At the same time I do not doubt that in upcoming months and years they will make improvements and add new models to the Mustang. After all I think there is a reason that the Mustang track package is now called the performance package (they might have noticed that the 1LE beat it). At the same time if the Mustang GT with the performance package was faster then the BOSS 302 LS then it shows that indeed the 3 test that have been done that the 1LE Camaro is indeed faster around a track then the BOSS 302 LS. |
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10-20-2014, 02:07 PM | #373 |
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MotorTrend just released an article. Camaro SS 1LE vs. Mustang GT Performance Pack vs Challenger R/T Scat Pack
CLICK FOR LINK ***Spoiler*** 1st: Camaro 2nd: Mustang 3rd: Challenger No doubt the Ford faithful are going to point that this means nothing since MotorTrend is corrupt GM pays them for their "vote." http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...ck_mustang_gt/
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10-20-2014, 02:15 PM | #374 |
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The new Mustang looks too much like a Mustang so I don't know why they are shocked that no one really noticed the car....
Also the Dodge should have never been in this, Dodge doesn't make a car in the same vain as the 1LE or Gt PP. Much like Ford and Chevy do not make their cars in the same vain as the scat pack. |
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FYI a true Base GT with an auto and no other options looks to be just over 3,700 lbs. |
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10-20-2014, 03:45 PM | #377 |
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sounds like GM has confirmed that the new Camaro will be smaller, and build on the ATS alpha platform. this gives me hope of significant weight loss.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/...ssis/17599689/
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10-20-2014, 04:09 PM | #378 |
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Yea, we still do not know what Fords plans are for this new Mustang....
I wonder if the performance package was just to give a bit more performances on the street, and they will release a track pack for the GT Mustang. It is also possible that they don't view the Generation 5 Camaro as the competitor as it is in its last model year before the 2016 model year comes out. We do not know what the full variations will be for the next Camaro, from what has been supposedly leaked is that the next Camaro is lighter then the current car. However it was stated that they are having issues hitting their weight goal whatever that is, will be interesting. Also from claimed leaked data the base engine in the 2016 Camaro will be a newer version of the 2.0T engine. It is believed that this engine will also replace the current 272BHP and 295ft-lbs of torque for the Cadilalc ATS. As well as the LFX engine will be replaced with an updated 3.6L N/A engine which will also go into the Cadillac and Camaro. How much power will these engines make? that is up to speculation at this point though I expect the new V-6 to produce more then the current LFX. However it looks like the I-4 turbo in the Camaro will compete with the 3.7L V-6 Mustang and the 3.6L V-6 Camaro will compete with the 2.3L turbo I-4 engine. Assuming similar price between the two I wonder if consumers would rather have a base cheaper 3.7L V-6 Mustang over a 2.0T Camaro. |
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