04-04-2012, 04:58 AM | #57 |
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I found these dimension for aftermarket Recaro Seats that are street legal:
Backrest Height: 830 mm (32.7 inches) Shoulder Width: 527 mm (20.7 inches) Seat cushion Width: 535 mm (21.1 inches) Maximum Seat Cushion Depth: 540 mm (21.3 inches) Gross Weight: Sport: 37.5 lbs., Sport Topline: 45.2 lbs. Thus I have a hard time believing that there would be a significant weight decrease from the factory seats unless there are more substantive numbers provided like weight for power seats mechanism and weight for the Gen 5 seats.
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04-04-2012, 06:19 AM | #58 |
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forget about the Horsepower number....why isn't there a 1LE sub-forum yet?
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04-04-2012, 10:11 AM | #59 | |
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04-04-2012, 11:43 AM | #60 | |
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Remember, 1SS/1LE is cloth, 2SS/1LE is heated leather. I would expect the same Option would apply if/when the ZEE appears. I think there was "sufficient feedback" re: 1LE Surveys to see that cloth was made the Standard trim, as opposed to the leather-lined Concept @ SEMA '11... So they ARE "listening"... |
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04-04-2012, 12:30 PM | #61 | |
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Well since it's an option to the SS line up. I think they only made it available on what was out. if the SS only came in leather then that's what it would be. but since 1SS isn't leather that is the option you are getting with the 1SS. |
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04-04-2012, 02:00 PM | #62 |
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The initial "1LE Concept", revealed at SEMA '11, was a leather-trimmed car based on a 2SS...and added even more. POLLS ensued, at Mr. Settlemire's behest. "Should we build the 1LE AS SHOWN?" [my emphasis]
Poll #1: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=197784 Eventually, after MUCH debate (as per Post #76 Page 4), a revised Yes or No poll was created: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=200804 However...partly from the THREE questions asked and answered in the FIRST poll??...there is NOW a 1SS-based 1LE...which may NOT have happened had we simply had the Yes or No poll, first... |
04-04-2012, 02:48 PM | #63 | |
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but if I ordered an LE and wanted leather seats I should add that option. If I wanted a hud I should add that option. The Polls could have been done to prove a point. two thoughts behind the scenes one saying it should only be made one way and another with the truest mind set of the LE concept. And the polls only reconfirmed that. |
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04-04-2012, 02:58 PM | #64 |
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LE, as applied generally within automotive-dom, equates to Limited EDITION, or Luxury EDITION.
1LE, as chosen by GM in '88, was NOT "One - Limited Equipment"...it was simply a 3-digit alpha-numeric as used by GM for ALL equipment and options. Just as Z28 was a rather randomly-chosen Option Code, "next on the list". Coulda been Z29...or W86...or... And the "Z" in Z28 is NOT reference to Zora Arkus-Duntov, as a certain "wives tale" had it... There is NO DIRECT MEANING for the "LE" in "1LE"... |
04-04-2012, 03:01 PM | #65 |
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right. agree to disagree on this one.
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04-04-2012, 03:11 PM | #66 |
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Some background:
http://ve3eie.ncf.ca/1le_history.html http://www.cartersclassicmusclecars....g%20series.htm We raced in the '86 GM/Player's Challenge Series (finished 6th Overall), when GM-Canada engineers Bill Ball and Earl Dickenson (the guy who brought fellow-competitor Ron Fellows to Herb Fishel's attention @ GM Racing) were developing "upgrades" to keep the IROCs and T/As on-track from failing brakes...developments which became the core of the '88-on 1LE Program. The reason we finished 6th, in '86? We stayed home from the Canadian Grand Prix support race event in Montreal because of...YUUUP!...brake issues... If we'd raced and finished 24th or better in that race (many spots below our worst finish, the rest of the season), we'd have WON the Series... |
04-04-2012, 03:25 PM | #67 |
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quoted from your first link, which I had already read before.
So the 1LE option became more than just a brake upgrade. And in order to keep these specially-equipped race Camaros as light as possible and out of the hands of just any buyer, Chevrolet decided to delete air conditioning and all power amenities from the 1LE-equipped Camaros. This, they thought, was surely enough to turn away all but the most devoted racers. like I said. agree to disagree. |
04-04-2012, 04:20 PM | #68 |
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From '88 to '92 (Gen-3), Air Conditioning was NOT standard equipment...it was part of PEGs 1-2-3...which could NOT be ordered with 1LE, which WAS in fact:
"G92 Performance Axle Package", (without C60 A/C [non-PEG, therefore Base Model only]) $675 including 4WDB with Special HD Front Disc Brake Package, Aluminum Driveshaft and Spare Wheel, Performance Exhaust System, Engine Oil Cooler and Special Shocks (deletes Standard Driving Lights). [THIS is the 1LE Package] "G92 Performance Axle Package", (with C60 A/C) $465 including Performance Exhaust System, Engine Oil Cooler and 4WDB. Page 87 of the pdf file: http://www.gmheritagecenter.com/gm-h...let-Camaro.pdf All PEGs (1-2-3) included Body Side Moulding and Floor Mats, which 1LEs did not receive either (unless ordered individually, or added later). So, in truth, the ONLY DELETE in a Gen-3 "1LE" was the Front Driving Lights...and the area they opened up made a great place to run Front Brake Cooling Ducts, when/where allowed... What Gen-3 "1LE" cars WERE was Option-Restricted...and featured some unique-to-them components. Last edited by LOWDOWN; 04-04-2012 at 04:36 PM. |
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I was just reading the new issue of gmhtp, in that's issue they test a 12 gs corvette manual. With the handbuilt ls3, it layed down 415rwhp. I wonder if there's any chance of this being the ls3 they will use, in wet sump form.
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04-04-2012, 04:46 PM | #70 | |
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1LE limited your equipment and options. I've also stated the they were meant for more performance. you can take that as meant for racing. Now, This is where we differ. I honestly believe the LE reference did have a meaning behind it and wasn't just some arbitrary designation, ie z28. And nothing you've shown me has honestly proven that I am wrong. When in fact the options and equipment you receive when you ordered a 1LE did limit things. This is why I've sat here and said lets just agree to disagree. I'm sorry if you feel that you must persuade me to believe you. but I just don't care enough to go ask the people that developed the original 1LE what they meant, if anything. and again we can/should agree to disagree because this is an argument that is pointless. Better sources for history are a must if you want to prove something, and then don't contradict them in your very next post. |
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