ZL1 / CTS-V Brakes

[Chris_B]

Originally Posted by MisterCamaro69

Probably won't make much difference during the first stop, but the next 20 or 30 brake stabs will likely be much more confidence inspiring considering how this car is driven (and by whom.)

Agreed. Except that it probably would take quite a few less stops to find the difference! Confidence is key to braking efficiently, and better, stiffer components inspire higher levels of confidence.

[Chris_B]

Originally Posted by JusticePete

Yes the math and more has been done by brake engineers with the expertise required to do it correctly. Anyone that doubts this simply does not know me.

No doubts, just a question. It is an important issue, so thanks for clarifying as we may not have met yet. I am interested in knowing what the overall balance shift was, but maybe I'm the only one?

[OldJedi]

Originally Posted by JusticePete

Yhe CTS-V calipers are made by Brembo. We have not had track time to measure stopping distance. Spring and track time are near. Subjectively there seems be a significant improvement. We'll find out soon enough.

Which Brembo system did SLP use?

On the SLP Performance web site, there is a Motor Week Video testing of their ZL575. The car had the 'upgraded Brembo GT Brake package' which had a 0-60 stopping distance of 110 Ft. I thought this was pretty close to the stock SS stopping distance.

[Info@PeddersUSA.com]

Originally Posted by OldJedi

On the SLP Performance web site, there is a Motor Week Video testing of their ZL575. The car had the 'upgraded Brembo GT Brake package' which had a 0-60 stopping distance of 110 Ft. I thought this was pretty close to the stock SS stopping distance.

Motor Trend printed 60-0 in 106 ft with automatic

In fact the V6 stops faster than the V8. But no one checks the braking after 5-10 60 to zero stops. This one is more important than just the 1 stop

thanks
mike
dms

[orange10s.c.]

Nice write up !!! I need some of those.

[JusticePete]

I have several emails / PMs asking how much the Cadillac of Brakes for the 2010 Camaro cost me. Here is the reply in public.

You wouldn't want to know what it cost me. Doing the first is usually ugly. It didn't take an hour to do the brake bleed / fluid change. It took a day. Why? There was no information on how to do a fluid change and the new Internet based GM scan tool didn't have a function for this. So you research. You make calls. No one knows so you start guessing at solutions until you find one. We finally stumbled across the 2010 Corvette ABS routine in the Tech II tool. It looks easy in the thread. Witt has done all the hard work and the post makes it easy -- now.

I am treated like family at Witt, which is wonderful. I do get a discounted labor rate because of the volume of work we do with Witt. They offer similar programs to other corporate service accounts. That said, virtually NOTHING we do together goes as planned because we are not at leading edge technology -- we are at the BLEEDING edge of technology. R & D, first fitments, test fitments take more time, blood sweat and tears than we ever allot for. That's OK. It is part of the business we LOVE.

I hope you all enjoy the benefits of what people / companies like Witt Buick Pedders bring to the community. It is a business. They do make money. If they didn't share our enthusiasm for special cars, projects and people they wouldn't let us in the front door.

Long story short, if you need prices or parts numbers that are not in the thread, give Arthur a call at Witt Buick Pedders or call your local Pedders Dealer. Please don't ask me for the information -- I don't have what you really need -- unless you want to pay my bill for the brake work at Witt.

[JusticePete]

Indy -- Saturday http://www.indycamaro.com/

[Info@PeddersUSA.com]

Here is the contact info for Witt Buick and who to contact for these Brakes

Arthur at Witt Buick Pedders (231) 722-3771

Witt Buick
67 W. Western Avenue
Muskegon, MI, 49442-1089

thanks
mike

[ClaymoreZ28]

I have to say I really like the way that you folks promote your gear
You never knock the base car and never resort to over the top claims, and your website is really well laid out for each kit. You really do seem to try to stick to your "No Bull" tagline.

I can see a Pedders upgrade in my cars future

[gospeedgo17]

Originally Posted by JusticePete

CTS-V Front Calipers, Rotors, Pads and Lines are $2,075. Witt Buick Pedders will install them including fluid and full ABS bleed for $2,349.99.

Excellent work, and thanks for the front only price.
I wanted to confirm that the stock SS 20's will fit afterwards.

Thanks again!
Speed

[Mr Twisty]

Originally Posted by Chris_B

Has anyone done the math on the CTS-V system to make sure it is has the correct balance for the V-8 Camaro? If it moves it more toward the front axle, that would be going the wrong way.

Chris

Since Pete's car doesn't nose dive, I imagine the rears are having to earn their keep, even tho GM oversized the rear already. I would bet good money we're looking at what the Z/28 brakes were originally going to be.

You did get my curiosity up tho, have you done the math yet?

[Info@PeddersUSA.com]

the Pedders Camaro has been corner balance, and is lighter than a CTSV. since they are increasing the brake effectiveness equally, and the proportioning is programmed for the Camaro and not the CTSV, I would have no concerns or worries on brake imbalance. In fact, I would bet the Pedders Camaro will significantly out-brake a CTSV. Out handle it big time as well.

mike
dms

[Chris_B]

Originally Posted by MisterCamaro69

Since Pete's car doesn't nose dive, I imagine the rears are having to earn their keep, even tho GM oversized the rear already. I would bet good money we're looking at what the Z/28 brakes were originally going to be.

You did get my curiosity up tho, have you done the math yet?

I will when time allows for my own benefit. Nose diving is more of a function of suspension geometry and spring/damper rates, so I'll look at hard numbers. GM was obviously not concerned too much about weight (perhaps they let too many engineers go?) or they would have done a much more reasonably sized rear system. It's a straight lift from the CTS-V and might be a bit too much iron to run at temperatures that are complementary to the fronts. They will work, but I would estimate they are not at optimum.

I need a little more info on the CTS-V calipers to get it all sorted out. After I get a few of the too many projects off of my plate, I'll chase that stuff down.

Chris

[Mr Twisty]

Originally Posted by dms

the Pedders Camaro has been corner balance, and is lighter than a CTSV. since they are increasing the brake effectiveness equally, and the proportioning is programmed for the Camaro and not the CTSV, I would have no concerns or worries on brake imbalance. In fact, I would bet the Pedders Camaro will significantly out-brake a CTSV. Out handle it big time as well.

mike
dms

I'd like to see some back to back (x10 or till Pete's eyes pop out of socket LOL) 100 - 0 distances along side a stock SS