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Kyle2k · 05-14-2009, 10:39 PM

After looking at the Fastlane performance "true" cold air intake and comparing it to the ones like the Hennessey. From an engineering standpoint, I have a feeling there has been ducting work to direct air right behind the driver side headlight, but the lower CAI makes sense too- so, what is everyone's opinions and experience about the PERFORMANCE- keep the "omg the true ones suck water into your intake horror stories" out of the conversation.

Picture of conventional CAI-

And if a mod could help get me a still capture of the true CAI setup from the Fastlane video?

mike@newera · 05-14-2009, 10:46 PM

A lot of induction systems will come about right away that are quick and easy to produce. If it's what you want then maybe buy it, or you can wait to see what else will become available in the near future so you don't buy something twice. Most everything will have flaws to an extent, I could be wrong, but everyone wants something different, and there will always be someone that doesn't like something about a particular system.

blackedout010 · 05-14-2009, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by mike@newera

A lot of induction systems will come about right away that are quick and easy to produce. If it's what you want then maybe buy it, or you can wait to see what else will become available in the near future so you don't buy something twice. Most everything will have flaws to an extent, I could be wrong, but everyone wants something different, and there will always be someone that doesn't like something about a particular system.

agreed! theres gonna be nicer stuff out soon

mike@newera · 05-14-2009, 11:06 PM

And stop worrying about water being sucked in, you would have to suck a massive amount of water in to hurt your engine, a little mist will not hurt at all. I remember a video of Jim Hall watching him spraying a hose onto his air filter of one of his corvette intakes with the car running, he then shut off the hose and closed the hood and got in the car and got in and blew the tires loose and kept on driving and didn't miss a beat, not saying that I reccomend it, but he did it to prove his product was ok and recorded it and put it on the net to make people stop worrying about the internet hype.

Davis · 05-15-2009, 08:22 AM

Had an SLP CAI in my 4th Gen. Great piece from a great company, I'll wait for theirs..

Muscle Master · 05-15-2009, 08:26 AM

I would go True CAI for maximum proformance, but would instal an oil catch can as well and probaly some extra money on a good quality oil filter

ADM PERFORMANCE · 05-15-2009, 04:01 PM

A true cold air induction system needs to be a minimum ove 24"(Thats right 2 ft) off the concrete.

We have done countless testing of this in the hot summer and cold winter here in Tx and found that the heat off the concrete or asphalt is 10-18 degrees hotter on the same vehicle at 2 ft off the ground.....If I could make it look right I would get my air 20 ft up...but not possible and keep it clean looking.

BTW-I challenge anyone here to run the same test we ran..Our test was a TRAILBLAZER SS WITH THE FILTER BEHIND THE LOWER FASCIA AND GRILL AT RIGHT GRILL .

A great read - http://www.kennebell.net/techinfo/ge...AirWARNING.pdf

Dan · 05-15-2009, 07:07 PM

Hennessey's setup is a hot air intake, not a cold one. Without something to shield it from engine heat it is a shiny waste of money.

ADM PERFORMANCE · 05-15-2009, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ADM PERFORMANCE

A true cold air induction system needs to be a minimum of 24"(Thats right 2 ft) off the concrete.

We have done countless testing of this in the hot summer and cold winter here in Tx.We found that the heat off the concrete or asphalt is 10-18 degrees hotter on the same vehicle at 12"-15" off the ground.....If I could make it look right I would get my air 20 ft up...but not possible.

BTW-I challenge anyone here to run the same test we ran..Our test was a TRAILBLAZER SS WITH THE FILTER BEHIND THE LOWER FASCIA AND GRILL AT RIGHT GRILL .

A great read - http://www.kennebell.net/techinfo/ge...AirWARNING.pdf

Test piping pre coating and install-

After coating and install -

GTAwheelman · 05-18-2009, 06:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan

Hennessey's setup is a hot air intake, not a cold one. Without something to shield it from engine heat it is a shiny waste of money.

looks good though, and for some people thats enough. not me though. when i replace the stocker, i will get one with a shield.

*radz28* · 05-18-2009, 11:39 AM

I've wondered about trying to pick up air from off the pavement, and now that's been answered - thanks. It makes sense to me. Personally, I'll be looking for the system that introduces the coolest air and has the least amount of bends/restrictions. Hennessey's set-up looks good, and though I remember him commenting on getting a heat shield on production systems, I think I'd like to see a filter pull air in from outside the engine compartment. I can just see idling at the line, just after a burnout, heat bleeding off the headers/manifolds and just soaking a metallic (or even plastic) shield where that particular filter is. I'd prefer a system that relocates the filter below-behind the headlight, even though it'll introduce more bends. I suspect if the tubing is large enough restrictions from the bends will be minimal.

JMO.

NickPic · 05-18-2009, 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan

Hennessey's setup is a hot air intake, not a cold one. Without something to shield it from engine heat it is a shiny waste of money.

if u read the add for the product it says it comes with one not pictured aboove. it DOES come with one

i added a "true CAI" on my 6.0 motor and it helped. iwould def go for one but i think if u wait u will see better designs as well as better prices

*CamaroSpike23* · 05-18-2009, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by GTAwheelman

looks good though, and for some people thats enough. not me though. when i replace the stocker, i will get one with a shield.

it can look good all it wants.

but having cool looking parts vs ones that give you more power is like stuffing a sock down your pants.

it looks cool.... till you have to perform.

*GTAHVIT* · 05-18-2009, 11:53 AM

Some thing else to consider guys, Cold vs hot air perfomance gains are minimal, and as ADM has said there is a optimal height at which you need to bring in the cold air. The real benefit to these systems is the increased air flow. That is where 90% of the horse power these parts create comes from.

There is minimal difference between cold and not cold Air intakes. especially on a DD car.

Now, I've seen drag racers that pump ice water throught their intercoolers to bring air temps down. But again those guys are looking for hundreths of seconds.

FWIW.

05-14-2009, 10:39 PM	#1
Kyle2k LVL 50 Troll Stomper Drives: 2010 Camaro Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 3,463	True vs. Conventional CAI systems. After looking at the Fastlane performance "true" cold air intake and comparing it to the ones like the Hennessey. From an engineering standpoint, I have a feeling there has been ducting work to direct air right behind the driver side headlight, but the lower CAI makes sense too- so, what is everyone's opinions and experience about the PERFORMANCE- keep the "omg the true ones suck water into your intake horror stories" out of the conversation. Picture of conventional CAI- And if a mod could help get me a still capture of the true CAI setup from the Fastlane video? __________________

05-15-2009, 08:22 AM	#5
Davis Drives: '10 Black 2SS/RS M6 Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 126 View My Garage	Had an SLP CAI in my 4th Gen. Great piece from a great company, I'll wait for theirs.. __________________ Black, 2SS/RS, Manual, Inferno Orange Accent Trim Pkg, Sunroof, Rear Ground Effects Tinted Windows, DT shorty headers, !mufflers, !CAGS, Barton STS, Vararam VIN# 2G1FT1EW5A9101443 Delivered 4/17/2009

05-18-2009, 11:39 AM	#11
radz28 Petro-sexual Drives: Ultra-Grin Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Crazy Coast Posts: 15,192 View My Garage	I've wondered about trying to pick up air from off the pavement, and now that's been answered - thanks. It makes sense to me. Personally, I'll be looking for the system that introduces the coolest air and has the least amount of bends/restrictions. Hennessey's set-up looks good, and though I remember him commenting on getting a heat shield on production systems, I think I'd like to see a filter pull air in from outside the engine compartment. I can just see idling at the line, just after a burnout, heat bleeding off the headers/manifolds and just soaking a metallic (or even plastic) shield where that particular filter is. I'd prefer a system that relocates the filter below-behind the headlight, even though it'll introduce more bends. I suspect if the tubing is large enough restrictions from the bends will be minimal. JMO. __________________ '20 ZL1 Black "Fury" A10, PDR, Exposed CF Extractor Magnuson Magnum DI TVS2650R // RFBG // Soler 103 // TooHighPSI Port Injection // THPSI Billet Lid // FF // Katech Drop-In // PLM Heat Exchanger // ZLE Cradle bushings // BMR Chassis-Suspension Stuff // aFe Bars // Diode Dynamics LEDs // ACS Composites Guards // CF Dash // Aeroforce // tint // other stuffs

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GTAHVIT Blessed Drives: 2013 Sonic RS MT Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Saint Augustine FL Posts: 28,444 View My Garage	Some thing else to consider guys, Cold vs hot air perfomance gains are minimal, and as ADM has said there is a optimal height at which you need to bring in the cold air. The real benefit to these systems is the increased air flow. That is where 90% of the horse power these parts create comes from. There is minimal difference between cold and not cold Air intakes. especially on a DD car. Now, I've seen drag racers that pump ice water throught their intercoolers to bring air temps down. But again those guys are looking for hundreths of seconds. FWIW. __________________ Click image to see build thread. PQ - "the love of cars. It's a boys first step toward manhood and a mans last hold on boyhood." Fbodfather - "We do not want to use the Z28 moniker on a car that does not deserve this hallowed name." The_Blur - "Let's not confuse competitors with equals."

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05-14-2009, 10:46 PM	#2
mike@newera Drives: 2016 Camaro SS Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 529	A lot of induction systems will come about right away that are quick and easy to produce. If it's what you want then maybe buy it, or you can wait to see what else will become available in the near future so you don't buy something twice. Most everything will have flaws to an extent, I could be wrong, but everyone wants something different, and there will always be someone that doesn't like something about a particular system.

05-14-2009, 11:06 PM	#4
mike@newera Drives: 2016 Camaro SS Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 529	And stop worrying about water being sucked in, you would have to suck a massive amount of water in to hurt your engine, a little mist will not hurt at all. I remember a video of Jim Hall watching him spraying a hose onto his air filter of one of his corvette intakes with the car running, he then shut off the hose and closed the hood and got in the car and got in and blew the tires loose and kept on driving and didn't miss a beat, not saying that I reccomend it, but he did it to prove his product was ok and recorded it and put it on the net to make people stop worrying about the internet hype.

05-15-2009, 04:01 PM	#7
ADM PERFORMANCE Drives: Anything I want Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: DfW - Texas Posts: 5,405	A true cold air induction system needs to be a minimum ove 24"(Thats right 2 ft) off the concrete. We have done countless testing of this in the hot summer and cold winter here in Tx and found that the heat off the concrete or asphalt is 10-18 degrees hotter on the same vehicle at 2 ft off the ground.....If I could make it look right I would get my air 20 ft up...but not possible and keep it clean looking. BTW-I challenge anyone here to run the same test we ran..Our test was a TRAILBLAZER SS WITH THE FILTER BEHIND THE LOWER FASCIA AND GRILL AT RIGHT GRILL . A great read - http://www.kennebell.net/techinfo/ge...AirWARNING.pdf

05-15-2009, 07:07 PM	#8
Dan Drives: 2004 GTO Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Montgomery, AL Posts: 448	Hennessey's setup is a hot air intake, not a cold one. Without something to shield it from engine heat it is a shiny waste of money.