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1LEJNG · 05-21-2017, 11:25 AM

I'm still trying to figure out how going to the Used Car Sales Manager is an escalation over the dealership's General Manager.

KenKat · 05-21-2017, 12:21 PM

I have a friend who was a judge and is now back in law practice and he gave me some advice once which stuck with me: "the courts are a nightmare; we make them that way because we don't ever want you to come back. If you can work it out on your own, that's the best route".

It stinks that you have a car with problems but you are not in a strong position because the dealer can pretty easily claim "we didn't know". You have to prove they did and that will be both hard and expensive if this were to get litigated in the courts.

If the used car dealer (which is attached to a Chevy dealer right) is willing to work with you on this, I would try to work with them and chalk it up to experience and a lesson learned.

myold88 · 05-22-2017, 09:30 AM

You bought a less than 2 year old vehicle with so many obvious issues- WHY? My
almost 8 year old '10 SS has not one body or interior dent, scratch, wheel scrape,
etc. It's obvious you bought an obviously abused used car.
Sorry for your problem but Like they say "buyer beware"

BMR Sales · 05-23-2017, 10:59 AM

I love it when people start these Posts, get Spanked and never show back up to tell us they hired F. Lee Bailey, spent $100,000 to win $3

Avenging Orange · 05-23-2017, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by BMR Sales

I love it when people start these Posts, get Spanked and never show back up to tell us they hired F. Lee Bailey, spent $100,000 to win $3

And the people who continue to post regardless.

Swacer · 05-24-2017, 05:56 AM

Is there any update on this?

BreakingBad · 05-24-2017, 01:35 PM

Jesus people, why the hell are many of you so hostile? Look back at my previous post - I admitted I made a snap decision and didn't properly vet the car. Many of the outstanding issues are being fixed under warranty, and the other issues are something I am willing to deal with and pay for myself - rotors, brakes, etc. I had some general questions to bounce off fellow Camaro owners regarding the situation, I got some helpful advice here but the majority of the posts here are "OMFG UR AN IDIOT" - I didn't realize I went to 4chan, not Camaro5.

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Originally Posted by 1LEJNG

I'm still trying to figure out how going to the Used Car Sales Manager is an escalation over the dealership's General Manager.

It's not. The GM didn't want to deal with it anymore and passed it off to the used car manager. I didn't really have any control over that.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BMR Sales

I love it when people start these Posts, get Spanked and never show back up to tell us they hired F. Lee Bailey, spent $100,000 to win $3

I was 'spanked' because I posted about my situation and asked for advice? I talked with a lawyer. They gave me free advice, and I don't plan on hiring an attorney. The questions I asked pertained to Lemon Laws. If you have a question about my situation, ask - don't tell random people you know nothing about that they got 'spanked'. My life doesn't revolve around posting to internet forums in a timely fashion to appease people like you.

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Originally Posted by Swacer

Is there any update on this?

Yes - I already received a check from the dealership. The used car manager is willing to send an additional check once I send him the quote for the bumper.

Avenging Orange · 05-24-2017, 03:17 PM

Most of us weren't hostile...just stating facts. You made a mistake...lesson learned.
I think some took offense that you might be trying to hold dealer responsible for your mistake.
Glad you are getting it worked out.

ChibiBlackSheep · 05-24-2017, 03:29 PM

Definitely glad to see resolution for you. Hopefully the checks are enough for the frustration and what happened, and after all is said and done you are happy with the deal and car.

67-LS1 · 03-14-2022, 02:57 PM

The issue is that you’ll be hard pressed to find a regular attorney that will take the case without payment up front. No contingency case here.
I’d talk to the local District Attorneys office. I worked at a used car dealer before and we sold a car with some issues that we honestly didn’t know about. The local DA said we were the professionals in the equation and should have know. We had to refund the owner the purchase prices, sales taxes, registration, everything.

ssonic2013 · 03-19-2022, 10:36 PM

Sorry about all the problems you are having with your Camaro. Like most have said. sucks to buy a car during a rain storm and at 9 at night. IMHO it seems like a lot you brought on yourself. The clear car-fax bothers me. I guess it's possible for car-fax to miss one. Doesn't Car Fax offer some type of guarantee for their services? When I bought my 2013 2SS the dealer offered at no charge a 30 day 3 thousand mile warranty. But my stealership is a 5 star dealer. Sorry you had a bad experience fix up your Camaro and happy miles ahead.

Valkyrie14 · 03-21-2022, 08:15 AM

I’m a lawyer, I am only licensed in Wisconsin. Unless you are in WI I can’t give legal advice. However, I can tell you that every state that I know of has consumer protection laws and lemon laws. Google those for your state and you will likely find the regulations for car dealers and what constitutes a “lemon” in your state.
For instance, in WI it requires a certain number of services on the same issue without a resolution in a certain period of time.

gtstorey · 03-21-2022, 08:42 AM

I know the legal system is slow but everyone is giving advice for a discussion from 2017 and bumped by what was likely a spammer.

05-21-2017, 11:25 AM	#29
1LEJNG Drives: Red Hot 2014 1LE Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 234 View My Garage	Stuck I'm still trying to figure out how going to the Used Car Sales Manager is an escalation over the dealership's General Manager.

05-22-2017, 09:30 AM	#31
myold88 Drives: SUMMIT WHITE 2SS/RS CAMARO Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: 2018: Lakewood Ranch, Fl. Posts: 8,112 View My Garage	You bought a less than 2 year old vehicle with so many obvious issues- WHY? My almost 8 year old '10 SS has not one body or interior dent, scratch, wheel scrape, etc. It's obvious you bought an obviously abused used car. Sorry for your problem but Like they say "buyer beware" __________________

05-24-2017, 05:56 AM	#34
Swacer Drives: 2018 GT350 Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: PA Posts: 2,719	Is there any update on this? __________________ Off to the Dark Side

05-24-2017, 03:17 PM	#36
Avenging Orange Drives: 2010 Inferno Orange 2SS/RS Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Clermont, IN Posts: 3,297	Most of us weren't hostile...just stating facts. You made a mistake...lesson learned. I think some took offense that you might be trying to hold dealer responsible for your mistake. Glad you are getting it worked out. __________________ 2010 Inferno Orange 2SS/RS M6 Black Leather, Sun Roof, OBX Headers, Borla touring axle back, Cold Air Inductions CAI , non synthetic fluids, BMR total bushing upgrade/1" lowering springs, DSE 32mm rear sway bar. GM fe4 shocks/struts/LCA's, AAM 3.91 diff, Vertini RFS1.8 20x9 +30. Conti ExtremeContact Sport 275/35/20. sjm autoprod ABL dash kit. Mike Norris tuned 413/419. Avenging Orange: 43 years of not buying into the Hype........and damn proud of it!! https://youtu.be/9JD9it6SmB8 https://youtu.be/xmelTlEzI34 KICKING CANCERS ASS SINCE 2015!!

05-24-2017, 03:29 PM	#37
ChibiBlackSheep Drives: 2012 2SS/RS, 1968 SS Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Southeast, PA Posts: 2,092	Definitely glad to see resolution for you. Hopefully the checks are enough for the frustration and what happened, and after all is said and done you are happy with the deal and car. __________________ LS3 Crate Engine Swap \| CSP Custom Cam 232/240 .615/.615 113 +3 \| Stainless Power LT Headers \| Z28 Intake \| Borla S-Type Exhaust \| FTI Triple-Disc Billet 3200 Stall 2012 Camaro 2SS/RS \| 1968 Camaro SS \| 2020 Cadillac CT5 Premium Luxury \| 2021 Spark LS

05-21-2017, 12:21 PM	#30
KenKat Drives: 2014 2LT RS Summit White Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 622	I have a friend who was a judge and is now back in law practice and he gave me some advice once which stuck with me: "the courts are a nightmare; we make them that way because we don't ever want you to come back. If you can work it out on your own, that's the best route". It stinks that you have a car with problems but you are not in a strong position because the dealer can pretty easily claim "we didn't know". You have to prove they did and that will be both hard and expensive if this were to get litigated in the courts. If the used car dealer (which is attached to a Chevy dealer right) is willing to work with you on this, I would try to work with them and chalk it up to experience and a lesson learned.

05-23-2017, 10:59 AM	#32
BMR Sales Drives: Race Car Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Seffner, FL Posts: 6,226	I love it when people start these Posts, get Spanked and never show back up to tell us they hired F. Lee Bailey, spent $100,000 to win $3

03-14-2022, 02:57 PM	#38
67-LS1 Drives: 1966 Chevelle Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Northern California Posts: 141	The issue is that you’ll be hard pressed to find a regular attorney that will take the case without payment up front. No contingency case here. I’d talk to the local District Attorneys office. I worked at a used car dealer before and we sold a car with some issues that we honestly didn’t know about. The local DA said we were the professionals in the equation and should have know. We had to refund the owner the purchase prices, sales taxes, registration, everything. __________________ 66 Chevelle with 2013 LFX V6, 6 speed auto, full Hotchkis suspension, Wilwood 4 wheel discs.

03-19-2022, 10:36 PM	#39
ssonic2013 Drives: 2013 Camaro ss Join Date: Dec 2021 Location: orange tex Posts: 120	Sorry about all the problems you are having with your Camaro. Like most have said. sucks to buy a car during a rain storm and at 9 at night. IMHO it seems like a lot you brought on yourself. The clear car-fax bothers me. I guess it's possible for car-fax to miss one. Doesn't Car Fax offer some type of guarantee for their services? When I bought my 2013 2SS the dealer offered at no charge a 30 day 3 thousand mile warranty. But my stealership is a 5 star dealer. Sorry you had a bad experience fix up your Camaro and happy miles ahead.

03-21-2022, 08:15 AM	#40
Valkyrie14 Valkyrie14 Drives: Chevrolet Camaro SS Join Date: Mar 2020 Location: Eau Claire, Wisconsin Posts: 962	I’m a lawyer, I am only licensed in Wisconsin. Unless you are in WI I can’t give legal advice. However, I can tell you that every state that I know of has consumer protection laws and lemon laws. Google those for your state and you will likely find the regulations for car dealers and what constitutes a “lemon” in your state. For instance, in WI it requires a certain number of services on the same issue without a resolution in a certain period of time. __________________ 2014 SS LS3/LSA Supercharger, 10% Super Damper, 2.55 upper, AGP Dual Pump, ID 1050 injectors, Pegasus solid rear cradle bushings, LT Headers, Roto-Fab CAI, Elite E2 catch can, E85 corn fed, 160 Thermostat, Monster Twin Disk, MGW Short Throw shifter, Tick Clutch Master Cylinder, HP Tuners, JL Audio system.

03-21-2022, 08:42 AM	#41
gtstorey Drives: 2010 Camaro SS2,L99, LSA SC Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: Huntsville, AL Posts: 2,155	I know the legal system is slow but everyone is giving advice for a discussion from 2017 and bumped by what was likely a spammer.