01-11-2010, 05:44 PM | #43 |
Not at the moment. The company cutting the housings in europe is only shipping in polish. I could see it much later down the road, but nothing in the immediate. I too prefer black, but one of the things you can do to offset it, is run a black front cover, and black rear inlet. This really breaks up the bling look.
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01-11-2010, 06:13 PM | #44 |
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What mods are required to fit the 3.6 or 4.2 under the hood?? Will the stock hood work??
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01-11-2010, 06:31 PM | #45 | |
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I had a couple questions specific to my application, but likely to be of interest to other camaro owners? - You mentioned some last minute changes to the Automatic version; can you elaborate as I have the 2SS L99 car? - What’s the boost for the stock Automatic application, and if in the future I wish to see 12psi with a mild cam, (already have long tubes and a tune) would I be better off considering the 3.6L unit? I mean there must be a place were you move away from the 2.8s sweet spot and into that of the 3.6. Where might that be? Does the upgrade to the 3.6 factor in a larger belt drive? (is it required?) - You mentioned a cooling system to equalize head temperature. Does the coolant run through a heat exchanger, or just circulate to equalize the temperature across the head unit? (I see the logic in this, you can keep closer tolerances between the rotors and housing else the back end might have more expansion than the parts in the front.) - With my modifications (long tubes, and proposed blower cam), should I consider upgrading my TB? - It was interesting that you mentioned the need to run a smaller pulley (higher boost) for clearance and then detune at the computer to keep the combination streatable. What boost does this turn out to be, whats excluded in the tuner kit (which I assume I need with cam and exhaust)? Thanks again, I wish I lived in Vegas.
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01-11-2010, 06:44 PM | #46 |
You will not get the 4.2 to fit unles you plan on a serious hood change. That head unit is really for only the hardcore racer, or the street rod guy. It is useless on anything streetable. The 3.6 will be more than capable for everything up to about 1300-1400rwhp, and 450cid.
The 3.6 is still being "Massaged" but will most likely require a hood swap/trim also. We are working on a few alternatives, but its most likely gonna fall under the "Hood Needed" catagory as well. But surprisingly, its not much larger than the 2.8H. Please keep in mind that the 2.8H will FAR surpass any normal customers needs. The 2.8 has already been ran to just under 1200rwhp, so it is definately no slouch. This is kinda how we determine what headunit you need. Stock 364cid motor, or forged low/moderate boost= 2.6 Stroker motor, or high boost (15psi+)= 2.8H Large stroker motor (Above 427cid) or REALLY high boost= 3.6H Pure freaking insanity, ALL OUT drag car, or 500+cid = 4.xH The 2.6 has been taken to just under 800rwhp, and 798rwtq. The 2.8 has been taken to just under 1200rwhp (On ford Motor). The 3.6H has already seen multiple 1150+rwhp runs, and its still in prototyping. |
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01-11-2010, 07:21 PM | #47 |
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do you have a website to order them from?
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01-11-2010, 07:57 PM | #48 |
01-11-2010, 07:58 PM | #49 | |
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I love the information on this site and all the S/C options. It's fun to see all these coming out and compared on our cars. The KB's have always seemed like good blowers and I have heard a lot about them. I love the Maggie that I have on my car and can't wait to see the KB's running too. I also love seeing the different S/C options and "friendly" comparisons.
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01-11-2010, 08:05 PM | #50 |
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I expect to have these systems listed on my website tomorrrow sometime. KB has some great kits out there and I am sure this will be no different.
If anybody needs more info, please feel free to contact me, I will do my best to hook you up. |
01-11-2010, 08:17 PM | #51 |
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Total, what effect did detuning the engine have on efficiency/longevity, if any?
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01-12-2010, 09:44 AM | #52 |
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So I know Eaton makes the rotors for the TVS-series SCs out there, and I know twin screws are a different animal, altogether, but is there only one company that makes these rotors for other twin screw companies too, or does your European manufacturer make these for you only? I think I recall another twin screw company that made their own rotors, but I'll be darned if I ever read the whole story.
I also wanted to mention that I believe it's the current MM&FF that has the really good write-up on the 3.6 KB. It's a pretty good write-up and just gives an idea on the benefits of this new design. Also, the article I referrenced earlier was from 5.0 Mustang, from a few months ago. I did mention some things in the article that I questioned, however, I think it, too, is at least a good referrence, and shows another supercharger options we'll have for Camaro too. Did I just admit I buy Mustang magazines?...
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01-12-2010, 10:55 AM | #53 |
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[Check out this months issue of Muscle Mustangs and Fast Fords. They install one on a Super Snake with before and after Dyno pulls. Sounds like the 3.6 is the deal.
Both were tested at 23PSI, the 3.6 made 76 more RWHP. At 15 PSI, the 3.6 made 31 more RWHP. This is from a forum post on teamshelby. Is this true? at the same psi the 3.6 will make noticealby more HP than the 2.8H?
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01-12-2010, 11:58 AM | #54 |
None whatsoever. Although excessive detuning can lead to certain ill effects, this is nowhere near that area. Keep in mind that forced induction (boost) is very very sensitive to spark. By just removing a couple degrees of spark at WOT is enough to eliminate any chances of failure.
Our WOT spark table on the base tune is 16*. Couple that with the poroper WOT fuel table, and there is no issue at all. The reason this had to be done, was because the 2.8H on a Camaro already uses a MASSIVE 4" blower pulley in order to keep the boost at the proper level. We cant go any bigger. Jim B and I were on the phone last night, and bustin up about a few things.. Imagine this.. If you put a 3.6 onto a STOCK Camaro, and tried to keep the boost level the 2.8H has (like the base kit), we would have to run a 5.75" blower pulley.. The blower pulley would be almost as large as the crank pulley.. |
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01-12-2010, 12:09 PM | #55 | |
This is why KB is beginning to love Camaro guys..
See, if you talk to a mustang guy, they want their cars to go as fast as possible. They dont sit there and complain about how much "Bling" it has, or wether or not the hood changes the aerodynamic affects of the car. Unfortunately, in other application of GM cars, they care more about how pretty the hood looks, or wether or not they add 2.1lbs of weight, and could care a less that the car now has 2 to 3 times the power.. We all feel that the new Camaro, and its owners will finally appreciate what the mustang guys have been enjoying for years. The answer to your question is a little more difficult though. No, there is not only 1 company that makes twin screw rotors. That being said, KB doesnt divulge any more info than that. I can say that the rotors that KB has made for them are propriatary, and not avail for any other company, but other than that, its not something that is made avail. In the past, it was a different story, but a while back they broke away from the mass produced setups, and went private. A trained eye can see the differences in the head units, but most dont see. Quote:
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01-12-2010, 12:17 PM | #56 |
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All superchargers are in the game now. Let the blower games begin I personally like the top mount motors.
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