06-17-2013, 04:51 PM | #43 |
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I have done some back to run on and off, same car same track same day. Ran about 2-3 tenths faster with the chiller. It is ALL going to depend on when your tune pulls timing. You do not gain power with cooler water with the chiller you do however keep you IATs low enough to not pull timing, cooling hot outside air does not put more oxygen in the air but it does help from detonating and keeps IAT cooler. Here was some old data I did when I first put it on and I recheck data everytime I do a new mod and the data holds true to this day. I am now at 10.5 psi and 680hp.
Here is a copy of a post I made 2 years when I first put the chiller on and I did days of testing on the road and this is the info from that dyno testing which matched all of the road testing I did. I didn't post any graphs as I was having issues with my SCT losing connections so I never turned the logger off so it was about 30 min long. I ok well I got the data off we needed, I tried to do a graph and all that but I am tired and not gonna do it now. So the dyno sheets I emailed to myself from the shop didn't work so I will go off of memory for the numbers there. First off the A/C does kick off at WOT but comes back on around 4500RPM(we could see a dip in the dyno sheet. So for ALL the Chiller on tests we let it chill for 5 minutes between runs and just before we went WOT we turned off the A/C. Same 5 minutes were given for cool down for Chiller OFF. Chiller OFF Data 101* AMBIENT 1st pull IAT start at 104*F end at 122*F car made 568 2nd pull IAT starts at 114*F end at 140*F car made 55? had a small amout of KR (.3) 3rd pull IAT starts at 125*F end at 145*F car made 54? had alittle more KR (.9) Chiller ON 107* AMBIENT 1st pull IAT starts at 64*F ends at 113*F car made 56? 2nd Pull IAT starts at 66*F ends at 116*F car made 56? 3rd pull IAT starts at 66*F ends at 116*F car made 56? Did a pulley change 3.6 to a 3.4 and went from 6psi to 7 psi and made 596 and the torque can't remember but it went up almost 50ftlbs. IAT were the same as the other runs with the chiller on. I didn't tune for the chiller, we were pressed for time as they had 2 other cars that needed tuning and I was on the dyno most of the day doing 8-10 pulls. The tuner though we could get another 1-2 degrees of timing with IAT where they were with the chiller on but since we didn't have time to test I choose to stay where I was and be safer at the same power level. I think if your IATs are higher than 140*F you may get some HP out of this deal and be alot safer, but my car at 6-7PSI doesn't produce alot of heat. I hope everyone is ok with the test as you can't please everyone but I did my best to keep a even playing field but temps came up as the day went on and engine coolant temps are what they are when we hit the go pedal. I will try to get some logs for the 1/4 mile but it isn't going to change any from what I have already done around here on the road and the dyno actually proved to heat up the car more than a 0-120mph run.
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06-17-2013, 05:08 PM | #44 |
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^^^^^ thank you. It's nice to see some hard numbers. Shouldn't have to tune for this thing, it purpose is to not give back timing that is already advanced. Thanks again
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06-17-2013, 05:12 PM | #45 | |
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^^^ Thanks Jeremy ^^^
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06-17-2013, 05:37 PM | #46 |
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This is my take on the chiller
Depends on the tune. A stock Camaro tunes starts to pull timing at 86F. But when the IAT are 59F and cooler,it add's timing. So depends on how the tune is set. I kinda like the idea of the chiller because it would make the car more consistent.Once the supercharger gets heat soak,or your stuck at the staging lane for a long period of time. If you stage at 86F on the previous run,and the next round you end up at 120F at the starting line. Sorry!!! you just lost the race,because it will start pulling timing as soon you hit the throttle = loose power. Once I decide which way I go with a F/I. So far leaning toward the Whipple,it will have a chiller. |
06-17-2013, 05:57 PM | #47 |
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The only issue I have issue keeping the refrigerant level correct. Mines works great and then it works ok. I have bought some A/C gauges and see the high side go up pretty high when in comp mode. Still trying to get it dialed in correctly again. It still cools good but not as cold as I have had it before.
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Jerry does all my welding now and he is 100% on the type welding needed to make all the custom fittings we use now. Also the Super Chiller is 100% O Ring connections now no pipe fittings on Freon side. You also need the updated wiring to get 100% out of Competition Mode. |
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06-17-2013, 07:12 PM | #50 |
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I might have to Dave I have struggled with it the last few weeks trying to get it right. It worked great before and your right about having the first set-up. You have offered enough I think I may have to set up a time to get down there and do some updates, I have seen some pics of your new stuff and it has come a long way and looks great.
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06-18-2013, 10:26 PM | #51 |
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make an eforce kit!
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06-18-2013, 11:09 PM | #52 |
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I think he has one but can't remember.
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We can do an Eforce kit but it requires the pump be relocated. Once the ZL1 kit is done we may be able to fit the Eforce without moving the pump. |
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06-20-2013, 08:47 PM | #55 |
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Dave, I have your setup and love it however I have just added a Night Fury cam and an OD Cog rear drive on my maggie to keep my boost around 11psi. Due to the new blower speed I am now seeing IAT's around ambient to 10 under compared to 20-30 below ambient before latest upgrade. How would the 30% larger core help and what is involved in the upgrade? thanks again for all of your support in the past..
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06-20-2013, 09:14 PM | #56 |
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[QUOTE=TrekGTO;6695046]Jeremy I will see you on the 20th for your update, I did your car 6/2011! I want to make the 30% larger core and Dual Chillers available for the Camaro; I don’t know if I will have time on the ZL1 coming in Friday but maybe something along these lines might work for you? Our Dual ZR1 works great and the 30% larger core is available as an option on all the other kits.[QUOTE]
I always wanted the dual, I thought it was the best back when we first did mine but at the time everything was a trial. I think either the 30% would do good or the dual. What ever you can do, my car should be in the 10's soon as I get my slicks on.
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