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Old 07-21-2009, 04:16 PM   #15
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OURS CARS ARE'NT STILL NOT ENJOABLE AT 100%
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Old 07-21-2009, 04:20 PM   #16
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You have no idea how funny that is to us English Canadians....
I WILL Pays to read you in french,

be my guess practice your french ,like i practice my english
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Old 07-21-2009, 04:20 PM   #17
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Old 07-21-2009, 04:22 PM   #18
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He is wrong, your tech needs to stick to R&R and leave the engineering to those with the qualifications.

While some race inspired transmissions have a torrington needle bearing in the tailshaft 99% of race and oem transmissions have a bushing.

My 1350 Horsepower LSX Nova has a Liberty clutchless transmission. It also has a bushing in the tailhousing for the tailshaft.

I have run high 11's with my 2010 Camaro. No shaft probelms


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your car runs at the most 2 miles at a time ! There should be a bearing on the tail shaft .After breaking the news about the traney problem I have done a lot of research . The tech has this one wone. People should stop protecting chevrolet . when you cut corners you will have a crapy product A lot of people were lead to beleave that the camaro would have the c6 traney .
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Old 07-21-2009, 04:36 PM   #19
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your car runs at the most 2 miles at a time ! There should be a bearing on the tail shaft .After breaking the news about the traney problem I have done a lot of research . The tech has this one wone. People should stop protecting chevrolet . when you cut corners you will have a crapy product A lot of people were lead to beleave that the camaro would have the c6 traney .
my friend i agree, you talk with a very good sens of objectivity

chrevrolet must not cut corner
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Old 07-21-2009, 04:43 PM   #20
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your car runs at the most 2 miles at a time ! There should be a bearing on the tail shaft .After breaking the news about the traney problem I have done a lot of research . The tech has this one wone. People should stop protecting chevrolet . when you cut corners you will have a crapy product A lot of people were lead to beleave that the camaro would have the c6 traney .
Are we talking about hard launch loads or are we talking about distance?

Hmmm, My point is that in an OEM and many racing applications a bushing in the tail housing at the slip yoke is been the norm for long before you and I were born.

The Camaro transmision would never ever get the Corvette transmission. That is because the transmisson in the Corvette is in the rear attached to the trans axle. THey share a design and are based off the same series.

Just like the Tremec 6060 in the GT500 and the Challanger. It won't bolt up, it's a different configuration.

Sorry I will defend anyone that I choose. It's a free country.

I do not work FOR GM or Chevrolet. I do work WITH them

I have worked WITH the guys at Tremec for a number of years.

Lets not throw away the baby with the bathwater, we have a great car here and I am very happy that GM and Chevrolet were able to get it out.

Oh, BTW, the transmission in the Camaro is close to 170 pounds. The gears and shafts are heavier and stronger than any previous 6 speed offered in a Camaro. It's a very stout trans.

My 2010 Camaro has 2016 miles on the clock. Most are at the track and beating it up on the back roads. It gets driven hard.

I enjoy my Camaro 100% of the time!

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Old 07-21-2009, 04:46 PM   #21
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Old 07-21-2009, 04:53 PM   #22
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ours cars are not 100% enjoyable yet is it better?
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Old 07-21-2009, 04:54 PM   #23
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Now you have started it, you have to tell us what you have done to your car so far.
First Phase

GMPP Shorty Headers
GMPP Off Road Mufflers
Fidanza Aluminum Flywheel
Clutchmasters Stage I Clutch
Anderson Motorsports Cold Air
Abaco Digital Mass Air Meter
NOS LS2 Nitrous KIt .063 Nitrous .033 Fuel
NOS Launcher Controller set at 40% (about 120 shot)
Lingenfelter Timing Retard and 2 Step Box
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516 Horsepower at the wheels
580 Foot Pounds of Torque
Best time 11.96 at 118

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Installed Test Pipes
NOS jetting .044 N .020 Fuel Controller set at 60% (about 50 shot)
Best time 11.95 at 118

All will be covered in Hot Rod Magazine as well as the GM Performance Parts Web Site


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Old 07-21-2009, 05:28 PM   #24
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your car runs at the most 2 miles at a time ! There should be a bearing on the tail shaft .After breaking the news about the traney problem I have done a lot of research . The tech has this one wone. People should stop protecting chevrolet . when you cut corners you will have a crapy product A lot of people were lead to beleave that the camaro would have the c6 traney .
GM didn't design the Tremec transmission, and I assure you there are plenty of bearings supporting the output shaft. The tailshaft at the very end most likely has a bronze bushing due to most of the load taken by the other bearings in the transmission. The TR6060 has multiple versions, but I promise you they all have the same amount of bearings, the only one that would be signficantly different is the corvette unit due to the transaxle configuration.
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First Phase

GMPP Shorty Headers
GMPP Off Road Mufflers
Fidanza Aluminum Flywheel
Clutchmasters Stage I Clutch
Anderson Motorsports Cold Air
Abaco Digital Mass Air Meter
NOS LS2 Nitrous KIt .063 Nitrous .033 Fuel
NOS Launcher Controller set at 40% (about 120 shot)
Lingenfelter Timing Retard and 2 Step Box
Nitto 305/40/20 Drag Radials


516 Horsepower at the wheels
580 Foot Pounds of Torque
Best time 11.96 at 118

2nd Phase

Added
GMPP CNC Ported LS3 Heads
Installed Test Pipes
NOS jetting .044 N .020 Fuel Controller set at 60% (about 50 shot)
Best time 11.95 at 118

All will be covered in Hot Rod Magazine as well as the GM Performance Parts Web Site


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Nice, thanks for the results. So you picked up about 70 fwhp with the "test pipes"-whatever that means- and the ported heads? It is a little confusing with the nitrous used, but the times are almost identical. Either way, it sounds good. Looking forward to the article.
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Nice, thanks for the results. So you picked up about 70 fwhp with the "test pipes"-whatever that means- and the ported heads? It is a little confusing with the nitrous used, but the times are almost identical. Either way, it sounds good. Looking forward to the article.
Not trying to confuse. THe stock pump has a limit of close to 500 horsepower at the wheels. When we installed the heads, cam and test pipe we picked up about 40 horsepower. The cam really needs long tubes to show it's true potential. At that point it made 429 at the wheels SAE.

I backed the Nitrous tune down to achieve the same MPH at the track so not to run over the limit of the pump.

Lingenfelter is looking at ways to install a controller that can drive a larger pump. I could certainly turn up the tune to get the numbers but we have to go rounds with this. It can't be a dyno queen or one hit wonder.

We have plenty more in store.

Next will be a Vortech Supercharger then installation of an LSA.

We will upgrade the clutch at the same time as the Vortech.

The lack of a gear is going to be our biggest hurdle. Still it's a lot of fun.

Everything we are doing is geared to the average person wanting to do bolt on performance enhancements.

No trick stuff here.



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First Phase

GMPP Shorty Headers
GMPP Off Road Mufflers
Fidanza Aluminum Flywheel
Clutchmasters Stage I Clutch
Anderson Motorsports Cold Air
Abaco Digital Mass Air Meter
NOS LS2 Nitrous KIt .063 Nitrous .033 Fuel
NOS Launcher Controller set at 40% (about 120 shot)
Lingenfelter Timing Retard and 2 Step Box
Nitto 305/40/20 Drag Radials


516 Horsepower at the wheels
580 Foot Pounds of Torque
Best time 11.96 at 118

2nd Phase

Added
GMPP CNC Ported LS3 Heads
Installed Test Pipes
NOS jetting .044 N .020 Fuel Controller set at 60% (about 50 shot)
Best time 11.95 at 118

All will be covered in Hot Rod Magazine as well as the GM Performance Parts Web Site


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Damn I love you and your builds Robin. I'm dying for the new HRM to hit the stands.



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Nice, thanks for the results. So you picked up about 70 fwhp with the "test pipes"-whatever that means- and the ported heads? It is a little confusing with the nitrous used, but the times are almost identical. Either way, it sounds good. Looking forward to the article.
times are almost identical, they backed down the nitrous after adding the ported heads and test pipes. so basically, now its making more on motor alone.

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Not trying to confuse. THe stock pump has a limit of close to 500 horsepower at the wheels. When we installed the heads, cam and test pipe we picked up about 40 horsepower. The cam really needs long tubes to show it's true potential. At that point it made 429 at the wheels SAE.

I backed the Nitrous tune down to achieve the same MPH at the track so not to run over the limit of the pump.

Lingenfelter is looking at ways to install a controller that can drive a larger pump. I could certainly turn up the tune to get the numbers but we have to go rounds with this. It can't be a dyno queen or one hit wonder.

We have plenty more in store.

Next will be a Vortech Supercharger then installation of an LSA.

We will upgrade the clutch at the same time as the Vortech.

The lack of a gear is going to be our biggest hurdle. Still it's a lot of fun.

Everything we are doing is geared to the average person wanting to do bolt on performance enhancements.

No trick stuff here.



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you planning on starting a thread to follow your buildup Robin?
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Not trying to confuse. THe stock pump has a limit of close to 500 horsepower at the wheels. When we installed the heads, cam and test pipe we picked up about 40 horsepower. The cam really needs long tubes to show it's true potential. At that point it made 429 at the wheels SAE.

I backed the Nitrous tune down to achieve the same MPH at the track so not to run over the limit of the pump.

Lingenfelter is looking at ways to install a controller that can drive a larger pump. I could certainly turn up the tune to get the numbers but we have to go rounds with this. It can't be a dyno queen or one hit wonder.

We have plenty more in store.

Next will be a Vortech Supercharger then installation of an LSA.

We will upgrade the clutch at the same time as the Vortech.

The lack of a gear is going to be our biggest hurdle. Still it's a lot of fun.

Everything we are doing is geared to the average person wanting to do bolt on performance enhancements.

No trick stuff here.



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No problem, I know you were just posting a quick summary, I was just a bit confused. Thanks for clarifying. Looking forward to the rest of your results.
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