2010 V6 Camaro VS. 2007 Mustang V6

[MichaelH]

^^^^ haha is that full bolt on mustang including a bolted on supercharger lol

[KMPrenger]

Originally Posted by 08-G35s/6MT

Well driven full bolt on tuned 4.0 with some 4.10's manual will leave a lightly bolted on or stock automatic v6 Camaro.

yes....your implying that if all the stars line up correctly, and a full bolt on 4.0 with gears Mustang with a good driver does it perfecly....then yes it could be a close race or maybe a win for the mustang.

But this is a lightly modded 4.0 we are talking about here that shouldn't stand a chance unless the Camaro missed the launch or a gear or something.

Just take a look at these times pulled from a mustang site:

Boss244- Auto Coupe CAI, T, LTH, DE, DS, TL(4.10's), LCA, ASB, DR's, S, SP 13.81 @9x.xxMPH
28HopUp- Manual Coupe, T, CAI, AB, TL(4.10's), DS, LCA, UCA, DE, DR14.312 @95.67MPH w/ 1.942 60'
Fazm- Manual Coupe CAI, T, DS, LCA, UCA, STS, TT(3.73's), DE, ST 14.32 @93.97MPH
Mustangrider721-Coupe CAI, T, DE, AB, TL(3.73's)14.356 @93.483PH w/ 1.963 60'
fitbikeco- Auto Coupe CAI, T, AB, stock rear14.463 @95.01MPH
Rmays- Auto Coupe CAI, T, AB, ST, LCA, TL(3.73's) UDP14.471 @95MPH
Puerto Rico 4.6- Auto Coupe CAI, T, TL(4.10's), DE, H, LCA 14.52 @93.15MPH
4.0 $tang - Manual Coupe CAI, DE, T, ST TL(3.73) 14.545 @93.95 MPH w/ 2.112 60'
JimC- Auto Convertible CAI, T, AB, DR, DE, DS 14.624 @92.75MPH w/ 2.058 60'
my first mustang- Auto Coupe CAI, T,DE, DS TL(3.55's) 14.654 @93.58 w/2.110 60'
Merlinsrealm- Auto Coupe T, CAI, DE 14.672 @92.68MPH w/2.119 60'
07redMustang- Auto Vert T 14.823 @91.03MPH w/2.060 60'
supernatural - Auto Coupe CAI, T Stall, TL(3.73) 14.8 @90MPH
supernatural - Auto Coupe CAI, T, Stall 14.9 @90MPH
Jhosler - Auto Coupe CAI, T, ST 15.052 @90.53 MPH w/ 2.193 60'
supernatural - Auto Coupe CAI, T 15.2 @89MPH
Dwisforme05 - Auto Coupe ST, AB, CAI 15.332 @90.91MPH w/ 2.322 60'
rampant racing - Auto Coupe AB, CAI, TL(3.73) 15.341 @87.2MPH w/ 2.137 60'
kpaulhus - 5spd Coupe DE 15.400 @89.71MPH w/ 2.340 60'
elroyjetson_1978 - Auto coupe AB, CAI, T 15.533 @90.71 MPH w/ 2.496 60'
Banka87 - AB, CAI, ST, T 15.6 @92.37 MPH w/ 2.31 60'

Only one of these is in the 13s, and its pretty higly modified. Most are mid to high 14s or 15s and still pretty modded.

For more evidence, check this thread where a fairly modded 4.0 owner is asking what his car will do. They are telling him high 14s or 15.

http://www.allfordmustangs.com/forum...mile-dyno.html

[08-G35s/6MT]

^Wow that's bad. Lol.

[mikeyg36]

Putting a boat anchor under the hood would make that car faster than the 4.0

[scrming]

Originally Posted by MichaelH

^^^^ haha is that full bolt on mustang including a bolted on supercharger lol

Thing is, you can put a supercharger or turbo on a 4.0 Mustang and easily run 12's and with a little extra work run well in the the 11's.... Seems the only way you do that on the 3.6 is to run N2O... The SC and Turbo 3.6 Camaros are more a 13 second car, or barely break into the 12, with the rare exception.

As for the OP, should be a good race.... and could easily come down to a drivers race, especially if they race heads up!

My 2005 V6:






Best was 12.8 @ 107 with a Vortech... That was full street trim...

[scrming]

Originally Posted by bluebeastsrt

Was that first photo taken at a walmart parking lot?

LOL! The spectators make the picture! It actually was at Norwalk (now Summit Raceway).

[08-G35s/6MT]

My friend's naturally aspirated untuned 3.0 liter Accord went 12.9 @ 107 mph in negative DA at Atco raceway.



Here's one of his older runs on all seasons with 2.3 60 foot

[08-G35s/6MT]

^Doesn't even have headers.

4 inch CAI, bored out Acura 3.7 TL Throttle Body, ported and polished Acura 3.7 TL Intake Manifold, UDP's, Pre-cat deletes, custom J pipe collector with catless 3 inch straight pipe.

[2010SLVRBULIT]

Originally Posted by bluebeastsrt

Was that first photo taken at a walmart parking lot?

, reminds of the old days of the demolition derbys.

[DarkneSS]

Originally Posted by 08-G35s/6MT

^Doesn't even have headers.

4 inch CAI, bored out Acura 3.7 TL Throttle Body, ported and polished Acura 3.7 TL Intake Manifold, UDP's, Pre-cat deletes, custom J pipe collector with catless 3 inch straight pipe.

Headers + a tune don't do much for V6s lets be honest here...

But yo that definitely surprised me! hes from that Y.O. crew? How much do those things weigh? I don't get how a 3.0L Accord can do that! lol

[MichaelH]

Originally Posted by scrming

Thing is, you can put a supercharger or turbo on a 4.0 Mustang and easily run 12's and with a little extra work run well in the the 11's.... Seems the only way you do that on the 3.6 is to run N2O... The SC and Turbo 3.6 Camaros are more a 13 second car, or barely break into the 12, with the rare exception.

As for the OP, should be a good race.... and could easily come down to a drivers race, especially if they race heads up!

My 2005 V6:






Best was 12.8 @ 107 with a Vortech... That was full street trim...

Ill agree to disagree on that one there are not very many FI v6 camaros out there I bet with more being out the Camaro is easily in the 12's just forced induction it's just common sense way more whp than the stang and better tires jut need good drivers. Both racing same time on same track the 3.6 will walk the 4.0. Not talking bad on the mustang just being a realist

[scrming]

Originally Posted by MichaelH

Ill agree to disagree on that one there are not very many FI v6 camaros out there I bet with more being out the Camaro is easily in the 12's just forced induction it's just common sense way more whp than the stang and better tires jut need good drivers. Both racing same time on same track the 3.6 will walk the 4.0. Not talking bad on the mustang just being a realist

Here's the V6 Camaro FI Fast list:

Power Adders (Forced Induction):
1. 12.498 @ 111.42 -GretchenGotGrowl - A6 - (Twin Turbos, Ported Intake Manifold, Intake Manifold, LSD w/3.45 gears, 3400 TC, Trailing Arms, Diff. Bushings, Shorty Headers, No Cats, VMax Throttle Body, Ported Heads) (LLT)
2. 12.809 @ 110.90 - Det_Duke - A6 - (LLT IPF supercharger BBK's, HF cats, ice-o-later) (LLT)
3. 12.92 @ 107.32 - V6owner - A6 - (M/T Drag Radial's, BBK LT headers, ported TB, 3/8" icolater, BMR trailing arms/bushings, pfadt drop springs, standard super charger pulley) (LLT)
4. 14.12 @ 104 - iceman5730 - A6 - (IPF Vortech Supercharger, Vmax TBody,Eibach Pro Kit Sway Bars/Springs, Poly sub frame Bushings,GMPP Exhaust)(LLT)


I've been watching ALL these V6 Camaro FI build, since DAY ONE... I've watched all the struggles... They are NOT EASILY 12 SECOND cars...

[DarkneSS]

Originally Posted by MichaelH

Ill agree to disagree on that one there are not very many FI v6 camaros out there I bet with more being out the Camaro is easily in the 12's just forced induction it's just common sense way more whp than the stang and better tires jut need good drivers. Both racing same time on same track the 3.6 will walk the 4.0. Not talking bad on the mustang just being a realist

Agreed. Right now his statement is completely true but these cars have only been out about 3 years. I've been active on this forum for 3 years and the forced induction has really just now started to really get into gear. We've got a decent amount of FI cars running around now but not many have really hit the track. And a lot of the ones that have are making passes with 20 inch rims lol. Not knocking them but we have seen very few cars with FI running proper tires. Besides gretchen I dont recall any other car running a proper drag racing set up.

I think about 2-3 years from now the FI scene is going to be entirely different. It looks like Gretchens car will be able to pull off low 11s MAYBE high 10s. All it takes is one person to break ground before people follow along. If he runs a low 11/high 10, thats actually great bang for your buck considering he said its cost him like 15-20gs. You could scoop up a low mileage, used V6 for like ~$20k + even $20k, that's $40k for a high 10 second car. Thats pretty much the cost of a new loaded SS.

/rant

All I'm saying is its too early to make strong judgements on what our V6s can do with FI. If in another 2-3 years FI is still stuck in 13s, then we can throw in the towel lol

[KMPrenger]

Originally Posted by scrming

Thing is, you can put a supercharger or turbo on a 4.0 Mustang and easily run 12's and with a little extra work run well in the the 11's.... Seems the only way you do that on the 3.6 is to run N2O... The SC and Turbo 3.6 Camaros are more a 13 second car, or barely break into the 12, with the rare exception.

As for the OP, should be a good race.... and could easily come down to a drivers race, especially if they race heads up!

Best was 12.8 @ 107 with a Vortech... That was full street trim...

Hey John! You know I thought of you when someone mentioned throwing a SC on the 4.0. lol. I thought...they can be pretty quick!

That said...I have to disagree a bit with you.

I think an IPF tuned SC'd V6 will run into the 12s, and with tires will do it all day long. With DRs out back I'd feel very comfortable calling a 12.5 - 12.7 1/4 mile. With more mods like headers and skinnies up front I'd call even lower than that.

Its the tune, and IPF has got it down. The Trifecta forced induction tuned cars are not NEARLY as consistent. Not even close. Look at what happened during C5fest last year. I hate to sound like a hater but at this point, Trifecta has not proven to me they can affectively tune the LLT for a forced induction car.

Now the LFX may be a different story b/c it is "easier' to tune.

Originally Posted by DarkneSS

Headers + a tune don't do much for V6s lets be honest here...

But yo that definitely surprised me! hes from that Y.O. crew? How much do those things weigh? I don't get how a 3.0L Accord can do that! lol

Headers and tune net a lot for a V6 Camaro. It is a substaintial gain in my opinion. Take a look at the lowest graph with is stock tune and intake, compared to the top solid line, which is IPF tune and BBK headers added.