[newmoon]

Originally Posted by TEEZYSS

Changing the subject lol!

Aside from the car that was sent from FORD to the company they preps them for the MEDIA that was then run at a track rental with Evan Smith behind the wheel. Has anyone aside from this car run a 11 second pass bone stock with all the mineshaft DA going on right now?


I mean EVAN did set the stock record in the LS Camaro back in 99 that still hasn't been beat. So if the Edmund click off a 12.6 and Evan managed a 11.8..... And most mags have run 12.2-12.3 from a A8 6th gen... hell with a Gm sent car to a company that preps for the MEDIA at a track rental... pssssft 11.7..................

Did you read the Hot Rod Camaro test article? Did you miss the part about Private Track Rental, 80 passes and Lutz at the wheel? Funny the GT was almost 4 tenths quicker and several mph faster in a Max stock ET effort by the same publication. Maybe Lutz can't drive?

See how easy it is to pick and choose the results you want to acknowledge.

[oldman]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Did you read the Hot Rod Camaro test article? Did you miss the part about Private Track Rental, 80 passes and Lutz at the wheel? Funny the GT was almost 4 tenths quicker and several mph faster in a Max stock ET effort by the same publication. Maybe Lutz can't drive?

See how easy it is to pick and choose the results you want to acknowledge.

I think it was a great article. I have to admit I love the Pilot 4s, these are the best tires I've ever owned period. 11.8.. is impressive but $53 sticker up.. no thanks. I would speculate GM may need their own drag pack with stronger shafts, diff, and the bigger say 305 pilots out back..

[vtirocz]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Did you read the Hot Rod Camaro test article? Did you miss the part about Private Track Rental, 80 passes and Lutz at the wheel? Funny the GT was almost 4 tenths quicker and several mph faster in a Max stock ET effort by the same publication. Maybe Lutz can't drive?

See how easy it is to pick and choose the results you want to acknowledge.

I think you're comparing non-SAE corrected runs (ie. Evan's 11.8 run and even HR's run of the Camaro) to SAE corrected runs (C&D, MT). Corrected times will help make a fair comparison between the different runs. Also, if one test adjusts tire pressure, etc. and the other is constrained with running the factory settings, this will make a difference as well, as will differing launch surfaces.

We'll see in head to head comparison tests if the Mustang is really faster.

Edmunds was the first comparison test, MotorTrend's Head2Head should be out next week. I'm sure C&D will do one as well. These will be the true tests of which is quicker.

[Zeke.Malvo]

Originally Posted by oldman

Yep I've always found that quad cam V8 were cheap to produce

Lets see... bout the same cost for the short block..
OK, valve train one cam and 16 lifters and one chain, single guide vs FOUR cams, 32 roller finger deals, 3 chains and looks to be about 5 guides. I'm going to call this in favor of the LT1. Heads, lets see basic small 2 v heads here nothing fancy about the valves or springs vs HUGE massive heads with 4 sets of cam bearing surfaces, 32 valve seats, expensive and small springs, bet they are dual so 64 of them, twice as many guides and seats to machine, twice as many valve seals, just think of the 8 cam seals on the Ford ouch, two cam phasers, 4 cam gears... Twin entry manifold cause 4V have no innate swirl, meaning problems, so the Ford intake is way more expensive, oh and dual inject, yep two sets of injectors.. ouch. GM header, well it is cast on the Vette, but the Camaro some cheapo short tube, for the mustang that is a bag of snakes, that is what happens why one tries to fit that HUGE external sized engine into a car. I though I read the Ford of Europe's 5.0 was down like 5 HP cause the header does not fit. Yep all barging basement stuff there. Rebuild time... never happen.

Plus we are talking GM's first direct inject V8 across all lines, for Ford, the design cost is only on the Mustang and F150 base chassis. Second Ford did the 5.0, then the Boss, then the Gen 2, then the GT 350, and now Gen 3 vs GM's FIRST go at it. The cost of design of a more versatile "low tech" engine able to be used across many vehicle lines with (so far) ZERO redesign cost. The GM V8 starting with the LS1 has been put into the midsize pickup, the impala all the way up to the Vette 4.8 to 7.0 NA to forced induction (noy to mention 2 cylinders cut off for a 4.3 V6),,. And no my GM's V8 never did puke out the spark plugs just by looking at them..

You can try to justify and make sense of it all you want, but just look at the crate engine prices. 'Nuff said.

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[Zeke.Malvo]

Originally Posted by ST1LE

Whats the cost comparison of the LT1 and the Gen 2 Coyote? Drastic?

I bet your Mach 1 is awesome to drive! There is a real thrill, fear of death maybe, about driving a car like that with little to no nannies or safety equipment. Just you and the car.

Would love an old fastback Mustang!

The car wanting to kill you is part of the charm

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[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by Zeke.Malvo

You can try to justify and make sense of it all you want, but just look at the crate engine prices. 'Nuff said.

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Or maybe they are looking for more profit?

Looking at crate engine prices doesn't tell you exactly how much they cost to produce.

And do they both come with the exact same amount of accessories etc? Is one more drop in ready than the other or more user friendly?

Nobody but GM and Ford knows exactly what it costs them to produce the engines. And id be surprised if the new coyote was cheaper than the lt1.

And I don't really care that much lol

[13vertss]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Did you read the Hot Rod Camaro test article? Did you miss the part about Private Track Rental, 80 passes and Lutz at the wheel? Funny the GT was almost 4 tenths quicker and several mph faster in a Max stock ET effort by the same publication. Maybe Lutz can't drive?

See how easy it is to pick and choose the results you want to acknowledge.

When was it done and what was the DA.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by ST1LE

We all think what Evan did is impressive, but it's him that impresses and not the GT. Don't get me wrong the 18 is fast, not even Evan could get it in to the 11's if it wasn't.

LOL, I'm not impressed.

[13vertss]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Did you read the Hot Rod Camaro test article? Did you miss the part about Private Track Rental, 80 passes and Lutz at the wheel? Funny the GT was almost 4 tenths quicker and several mph faster in a Max stock ET effort by the same publication. Maybe Lutz can't drive?

See how easy it is to pick and choose the results you want to acknowledge.

Just read article, you should re-read it and see if you can spot the big differences between the way both ways they were tracked.

[LS6-M22]

Originally Posted by Zeke.Malvo

Maybe not, but I haven't seen what the new Gen3 Coyote goes for. As for the LS3, that's an old platform now. May as well compare my 351w.

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Old platform!? It was still being used in the SS for 2017. When was the 351 last used. LOL.

[jmackisback]

Originally Posted by LS6-M22

Old platform!? It was still being used in the SS for 2017. When was the 351 last used. LOL.

[Zeke.Malvo]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

LOL, I'm not impressed.

I agree. It's slow, just like the SS.

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[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Zeke.Malvo

I agree. It's slow, just like the SS.

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I didn't say it was slow. I said I'm not impressed...and that was more concerning Evan's skill. Seems like you're getting a little tight. To be honest, I think the GT has made a nice stride in performance. It went from being not even close to being on the heels of the SS.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by TEEZYSS

Changing the subject lol!

Aside from the car that was sent from FORD to the company they preps them for the MEDIA that was then run at a track rental with Evan Smith behind the wheel. Has anyone aside from this car run a 11 second pass bone stock with all the mineshaft DA going on right now?


I mean EVAN did set the stock record in the LS Camaro back in 99 that still hasn't been beat. So if the Edmund click off a 12.6 and Evan managed a 11.8..... And most mags have run 12.2-12.3 from a A8 6th gen... hell with a Gm sent car to a company that preps for the MEDIA at a track rental... pssssft 11.7..................

Has any media publication gotten anywhere near 11s with a stock Camaro? Test results on average make it a mid 12s ride, their numbers not mine. We are just supposed to take the owners word that all these 11s were stock right? Sorry I have a lot more faith in what Evan and HotRod's numbers on the GT were and I also believe that Jeff and HotRod put every effort into getting everything out of the SS they possibly could as proven by 80 pass attempts, unfortunately it was only 12:20s, still faster than any other publication had tested it.

I'm with Blaq on this until a private party tests a stock car the numbers posted here don't mean anything. There was no verification of the car being truly stock, and running stock fuel, as we all know it is way to easy to conceal minor mods. 12:20s is the SS's best verified pass in the 2+ years it has been out, unless somebody can show me a link to a faster hit.