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Page 7 of GCR for GS class as relates to Boss 302R Must use 57 mm air inlet restrictor as supplied. Must use OEM ECU as supplied by Ford Racing. Must use unmodified exhaust manifold as supplied with engine. Permitted band clamp attachment. Engine must be sealed as provided by Roush Yates Racing Engines, Contact John Maddox Ph # 704-658-1540 Ext 2064 Engines may be built by any engine builder. Engine must be submitted to Roush Yates for physical inspection and power audit. Engine physical inspection will include a visual inspection of the crank, rods and pistons. Physical inspection will include an evaluation of cylinder head ports (intake and exhaust.) Physical inspection will include an evaluation of camshaft events. Physical inspection will include an evaluation of intake manifold and throttle bodies. Power audit includes running engine on dynamometer to establish compliance to Grand-Am accepted power levels. Audit will include spark and fuel slew to confirm max power level. If engine is found compliant in both physical inspection and power audit documentation of engine number and seal number will be recorded on-site and provided to Grand-Am. Engine will be sealed and returned to customer. Rules as pertains to Camaro Must use Bosch ECU, contact Bosch, Phone # (248) 876-2137 Stock, unmodified, LS-3 engine. No internal engine modifications are permitted unless listed. Must use complete unmodified OEM air intake system. Sportscar Challenge Regulations 7-8.2 through 7-8.11 are not applicable to this listing. Engine must be sealed as provided by CRD Motorsports Contact Bobby Cronin (704) 792-1955 Engines may be built by any engine builder. Engine must be submitted to CRD for physical inspection and power audit. Engine physical inspection will include a visual inspection of the crank, rods and pistons. Physical inspection will include an evaluation of cylinder head ports (intake and exhaust.) Physical inspection will include an evaluation of camshaft events. Physical inspection will include an evaluation of intake manifold and throttle bodies. Power audit includes running engine on dynamometer to establish compliance to Grand-Am accepted power levels. Audit will include spark and fuel slew to confirm max power level. If engine is found compliant in both physical inspection and power audit documentation of engine number and seal number will be recorded on-site and provided to Grand-Am. Engine will be sealed and returned to customer. Both engines are sealed and tested for power output. Again, the 1LE and the Boss 302 are the natural rivals here. Your own site here is predicting a $70k+ price, and the Boss barely touches $50k. And the Boss is no longer being produced, and by the time the Z/28 hits the streets, Ford will be gearing up for the next gen production. Again, I LIKE the car, but I think they should have chosen another currently produced car to target. If I give you more torque, more power, AND a bigger tire, you BETTER beat me!
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10-17-2013, 04:37 PM | #58 | |
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Like I said, each ''RACE'' car has to specify to certain restrictions, parts, and supplier to make them more equal on a power to weight ratio. Before the Boss came in ,the 4.6 motor did not have the air restrictor. So all things ''even'' out, Camaro is on top 9 out of 10 races. And no the Boss is not the Rival of the 1LE… says Ford anyway. But I do personally agree that it is more of a match. You're going at it again with the currently produce and price point? Okay; Yes, you're right.
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10-17-2013, 04:57 PM | #59 | |
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I don't think GM really was concerned about beating the BOSS with the Z/28, knowing that the 1LE is capable of beating the BOSS. I think they were more interested in pushing the Camaro higher up in the rankings of performance cars. Of course, they ran it against the Mustang because that is the Camaro's primary competitor and most people would want to see it. And I am willing to be that after the Z/28 is released to journalists, will be between a BOSS and Z/28 but later comparisons will be with the GTR, GT3 and other high end cars. |
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10-17-2013, 05:34 PM | #60 | |
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I would be interested to see Z/28 vs GT350 when it comes out in about 6 months. That will be interesting. If these cars get smaller and lighter as planned I may end up shifting track duty to a 6th gen Z/28. |
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10-17-2013, 06:04 PM | #61 | |
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10-17-2013, 06:14 PM | #62 | |
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Boss LS $49K vs Z/28 $61K = $12K difference (Guess)
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10-17-2013, 07:09 PM | #63 |
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Mike, I think we could go back and forth ALL day and not agree. I'll leave it at this, I like the approach GM took with the Z/28 in as much as they stripped all the BS stuff from the car. I wish Ford would have done the same on the Boss. I would gladly give up cruise and AC, some sound deadening, and other things for a lighter car. I applaud the Z/28 and GM. Long live the rivalry!
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I was shocked they built the thing and could never have imagined them building the car they did. |
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10-17-2013, 07:56 PM | #66 | |
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I guess now Ford will answer your prayer about this strip down track car. They have too and they will, just like you, the Blue Oval never backs down against a race so to speak. Now, tell me about the other unused moniker Ford has in their lineup since the 60's...? Mach 1 was that track ready? Or the GT350?
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10-17-2013, 08:16 PM | #67 |
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Ford will always fight back and we're all glad for it. If it's with the Shelby Mustang models that's interesting. Why? The Shelby Mustangs always fought against the Corvette while the Mustang went against the Camaro.
Interesting since now the Camaro and Corvette are both moving up the food chain...
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honestly i hope Ford develops something to compete with the Z/28....Hell Dodge too! its just means more fast cars! and im all about it.
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10-18-2013, 07:50 AM | #69 |
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I think the GT350 will be the track monster. The Mach 1 was never a track car, more luxury options, although you could option it out to be a strip terror. I love my Boss, so I may opt for the Mach if it appears in 2016 or whenever the rumor is it will hit. The GT350 would have to be Z/28 slaying good by a wide margin for me to opt for that car, but quite honestly I think I would rather have a Porsche GT3,used of course, than another Mustang or Camaro track toy.
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Another thing, I'm not completely comfortable with my Boss as a track toy due to some of the issues I have had, and others have reported on track. I think the 427 LS motor is a pretty bullet proof piece that GM had done a great job with since it's inception.
Styling wise I can't get past a few things on the Camaro, plus the poor visibility, to consider that car. Being a shorter person, it just doen't "fit" as well for me.
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