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wally mayfield · 12-27-2014, 07:29 PM

I drove around this guy, and was proud of myself until I looked it up and seen it only has 320 hp…..

rontammy0 · 12-27-2014, 08:28 PM

Is this what your ran.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=2n0WpIYU5_4

crc91 · 12-27-2014, 08:51 PM

Was he stock? He might only make 320 but I'm pretty sure those motors were a little underrated. Also he's much lighter.

NYYFan325 · 12-27-2014, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by crc91

Was he stock? He might only make 320 but I'm pretty sure those motors were a little underrated. Also he's much lighter.

1998-2000 had 350hp. In. 2001 they added the ls6 intake manifold and it was closer to 360/365. They regularly dyno around 290-305rwhp. That being said the 5th Gen is the faster car. We generally trap 2-3mph higher (110/11 vs 107/108). I used to have two different WS6s and absolutely loved them. I ran a good friend of mine who has a bolt on and tuned M6 WS6 while I was intake / sort of tune only. Dead even the entire race. I'd slightly pull a few inches and he'd pull a few inches. When I say dead even I literally mean dead even!

wally mayfield · 12-27-2014, 09:36 PM

Im pretty sure it was stock, nice looking car, bumps and scoops all over it.

Thanks for the video rontammy0

i2disturbedSS · 12-28-2014, 12:43 AM

Hard to find stock ones around. He might've been an auto and you caught him in a bad rpm but the 5th gens are quicker. How many lengths do you think you put on?

NYYFan325 · 12-28-2014, 01:39 AM

Factory ratings mean shit. Regardless of what gm said all ls1 cars were 350hp and close to 360 after the ls6 intake manifold was added in 2001

WSSICK · 12-28-2014, 01:41 AM

Not sure where you are getting your numbers but all published numbers for Trans Am WS6 are MY 1998-2000 WS6 had 320 HP / 345 TQ and MY 2001-2002 WS6 had 325 HP / 350 TQ. The non WS6 Trans Ams and Firebirds had less power with the exception of the Firehawk which had more HP/TQ over the WS6. By the way those numbers are brake horse power and not to the wheels.

WSSICK · 12-28-2014, 01:43 AM

If you are refering to the LS1 put into the Corvettes you are correct. 350 HP were Corvette numbers. The LS1 for F-Bodies however, had a different cam and smaller throttle body which produced less power even when the LS6 intake was added. I own an LS6 intake LS1 (2002 TA WS6) and it did not dyno 350-360 stock. In fact none of our LS1 cars dyno'd anywhere near that stock. Even the B4C Camaros did not produce those numbers.

damian559 · 12-28-2014, 02:58 AM

They are quick, my buddy has a full bolt on WS6 and it kept up with me when I was stock.

i2disturbedSS · 12-28-2014, 03:29 AM

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Originally Posted by WSSICK

Not sure where you are getting your numbers but all published numbers for Trans Am WS6 are MY 1998-2000 WS6 had 320 HP / 345 TQ and MY 2001-2002 WS6 had 325 HP / 350 TQ. The non WS6 Trans Ams and Firebirds had less power with the exception of the Firehawk which had more HP/TQ over the WS6. By the way those numbers are brake horse power and not to the wheels.

He is saying all LS1s are the same give or take a few HP regard less FBody or YBody

wally mayfield · 12-28-2014, 03:58 AM

i2disturbedSS you have mail.

NYYFan325 · 12-28-2014, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by WSSICK

If you are refering to the LS1 put into the Corvettes you are correct. 350 HP were Corvette numbers. The LS1 for F-Bodies however, had a different cam and smaller throttle body which produced less power even when the LS6 intake was added. I own an LS6 intake LS1 (2002 TA WS6) and it did not dyno 350-360 stock. In fact none of our LS1 cars dyno'd anywhere near that stock. Even the B4C Camaros did not produce those numbers.

I never said they dyno at 350/360...I'm referring to crank horsepower. It is pretty common knowledge that the f-bodys were underrated to not hurt corvette owners feelings. The dyno numbers were around 290+/- Personally my stock 02 WS6 put down 291 dead stock.

VADER SS L99 · 12-28-2014, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by WSSICK

If you are refering to the LS1 put into the Corvettes you are correct. 350 HP were Corvette numbers. The LS1 for F-Bodies however, had a different cam and smaller throttle body which produced less power even when the LS6 intake was added. I own an LS6 intake LS1 (2002 TA WS6) and it did not dyno 350-360 stock. In fact none of our LS1 cars dyno'd anywhere near that stock. Even the B4C Camaros did not produce those numbers.

All 1998-2000 LS1 cars had the same cam regardless of if it went into a Ybody or F body. Same went for the 2001-2002 LS1. They are all the same. The differences were in the exhaust and induction. No one really knows the real crank horsepower of the F body LS1 because drivetrain losses are not exact but one things for sure and it is they are underated. There is just no other explanation for a 3450lb car without driver to trap 108-109mph stone stock with a advertised HP of only 305-310. I don't think the F body LS1 made as much HP as the Vette LS1 because of exhaust and induction differences but I do think it made within 10-15HP of the Vette.

All other variables being equal the 5th gen is about .2-.3 tenths and about 2-3mph faster than the LS1 4th gen.

12-27-2014, 07:29 PM	#1
wally mayfield Drives: 2013 2SS 6M Join Date: May 2013 Location: eastern high sierra Posts: 893	2SS vs Firebird Trans Am WS6.. I drove around this guy, and was proud of myself until I looked it up and seen it only has 320 hp….. __________________ Strut tower brace(GM), CAI, Blade Spoiler, ZL1 wheels and tires, Heritage grill, Dual mode exhaust, and thats it, no more..except for the lowering springs..Ok Hotchkis springs were delivered today, thats it..

12-27-2014, 08:51 PM	#3
crc91 Drives: '14 1LS Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Mandeville Posts: 2,166	Was he stock? He might only make 320 but I'm pretty sure those motors were a little underrated. Also he's much lighter. __________________ Patiently waiting for my 2023 SS 1LE

12-27-2014, 09:36 PM	#5
wally mayfield Drives: 2013 2SS 6M Join Date: May 2013 Location: eastern high sierra Posts: 893	Im pretty sure it was stock, nice looking car, bumps and scoops all over it. Thanks for the video rontammy0 __________________ Strut tower brace(GM), CAI, Blade Spoiler, ZL1 wheels and tires, Heritage grill, Dual mode exhaust, and thats it, no more..except for the lowering springs..Ok Hotchkis springs were delivered today, thats it..

12-28-2014, 12:43 AM	#6
i2disturbedSS Drives: 2010 SS L99 IOM Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: CA Posts: 1,924	Hard to find stock ones around. He might've been an auto and you caught him in a bad rpm but the 5th gens are quicker. How many lengths do you think you put on? __________________ 369rwhp/392rwtq "Spending money I don't have, to buy parts I don't need, to impress people I don't know!" -Jenkins

12-28-2014, 01:39 AM	#7
NYYFan325 Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 508	Factory ratings mean shit. Regardless of what gm said all ls1 cars were 350hp and close to 360 after the ls6 intake manifold was added in 2001 __________________

12-27-2014, 08:28 PM	#2
rontammy0 Account Suspended Drives: 2011 2SS/ RS INFERNO ORANGE L99 Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Alliston Ontario Canada Posts: 9,057 View My Garage	Is this what your ran..... https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=2n0WpIYU5_4

12-28-2014, 01:41 AM	#8
WSSICK Drives: 2014 Red Hot ZL1 Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Arizona Posts: 147	Not sure where you are getting your numbers but all published numbers for Trans Am WS6 are MY 1998-2000 WS6 had 320 HP / 345 TQ and MY 2001-2002 WS6 had 325 HP / 350 TQ. The non WS6 Trans Ams and Firebirds had less power with the exception of the Firehawk which had more HP/TQ over the WS6. By the way those numbers are brake horse power and not to the wheels. __________________ *2014 Red Hot Camaro ZL1* 2002 Victory Red Trans Am WS6 2000 Lt Pewter Metallic Silverado Z71 1996 Metallic Gray Ford Taurus GL

12-28-2014, 01:43 AM	#9
WSSICK Drives: 2014 Red Hot ZL1 Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Arizona Posts: 147	If you are refering to the LS1 put into the Corvettes you are correct. 350 HP were Corvette numbers. The LS1 for F-Bodies however, had a different cam and smaller throttle body which produced less power even when the LS6 intake was added. I own an LS6 intake LS1 (2002 TA WS6) and it did not dyno 350-360 stock. In fact none of our LS1 cars dyno'd anywhere near that stock. Even the B4C Camaros did not produce those numbers. __________________ *2014 Red Hot Camaro ZL1* 2002 Victory Red Trans Am WS6 2000 Lt Pewter Metallic Silverado Z71 1996 Metallic Gray Ford Taurus GL

12-28-2014, 02:58 AM	#10
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12-28-2014, 03:58 AM	#12
wally mayfield Drives: 2013 2SS 6M Join Date: May 2013 Location: eastern high sierra Posts: 893	i2disturbedSS you have mail. __________________ Strut tower brace(GM), CAI, Blade Spoiler, ZL1 wheels and tires, Heritage grill, Dual mode exhaust, and thats it, no more..except for the lowering springs..Ok Hotchkis springs were delivered today, thats it..