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snowman4951 · 10-18-2014, 11:09 AM

Hello everyone. I have a 2011 SS Convertible. Later than sooner, I want to get a Super Charger. Too much money right now. Anyway, I have Kooks LT headers and Catback, a K&N CAI, a computer tune, and a 160 degree thermostat.

After talking to a few want to be mechanics, they said I should get a Cam.
So, would getting a Cam wake my car up a little more? What type of Cam? Do I need to get anything else when I get a Cam?

Obviously cost is huge. But can anyone give me a ballpark figure and time frame the job would take? I'm going through Rad treatment, so I have to really budget well. I appreciate the help in advance! Thank you!

RBL · 10-18-2014, 12:31 PM

You're 1.5 hours from East Coast Supercharging which is one of the very best shops in the country, you should give them a call.

snowman4951 · 10-18-2014, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by RBL

You're 1.5 hours from East Coast Supercharging which is one of the very best shops in the country, you should give them a call.

They did my tune. Yes, Chris is awesome.

snowman4951 · 10-19-2014, 10:17 AM

ttt

Scuzz · 10-19-2014, 10:51 AM

If you are a auto, cam and conversion will run 3.5k about if you are paying a shop for labor/parts/tune.

Manual is probably about 1.5k

I gained 75 or so rwhp from my cam. I went with a gt11, but switched to a gt9 when I added a supercharger

snowman4951 · 10-19-2014, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Scuzz

If you are a auto, cam and conversion will run 3.5k about if you are paying a shop for labor/parts/tune.

Manual is probably about 1.5k

I gained 75 or so rwhp from my cam. I went with a gt11, but switched to a gt9 when I added a supercharger

Pretty sweet! Unfortunately, I have the A6.

rberns · 10-19-2014, 03:00 PM

I paid $5500 for parts and labor on my A6. I did the LS3 conversion, but I recommend staying VVT as they have proven themselves to be better than the LS3 conversions. My mind set is if I am going to do it, then do it right and upgrade all the parts to minimize failures. Here is the list for my LS3 conversion:

BTR .660 dual springs
BTR .740 pushrods
BTR seats, locks, retainers
BTR SLR lifters
3 bolt timing gear
Katech C5R timing chain
Melling 10296 oil pump
LS9 head gaskets
ARP head bolts, crank bolt
LS2 lifter trays
LS2 timing dampner
Cam Motion Cam
Circle D converter
ADM transmission cooler
LS3 valley cover
LS3 front timing cover w/sensor
Cam retaining plate
2 water pump gaskets
Comp Cam trunion upgrade
There might be a few more, but this is what I can remember off the top of my head.

Scuzz · 10-19-2014, 05:20 PM

Staying vvt is really only a option if he wasn't going to super charge. But as he said he wants to supercharge doing the full ls3 conversion is what he should do.

rberns · 10-19-2014, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Scuzz

Staying vvt is really only a option if he wasn't going to super charge. But as he said he wants to supercharge doing the full ls3 conversion is what he should do.

Are you saying that VVT + SC = no good? If so, I would like to hear more opinions on that from people like Rhino79 or the guys at Lethal Racing.

Scuzz · 10-19-2014, 08:44 PM

I have not heard of any high hp Supercharged applications running a vvt. I may be wrong, but I have not seen one talked about or posted.

Camarojt · 10-19-2014, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Scuzz

I have not heard of any high hp Supercharged applications running a vvt. I may be wrong, but I have not seen one talked about or posted.

GroceryGetter has a VVT cam + Supercharger from GPI.

Scuzz · 10-19-2014, 09:23 PM

He stopped at 654 rwhp. I don't even consider myself a high hp application and I'm low 700's now. I don't see keeping vvt going high hp worth the potential complications.

Kelly@PCMofNC · 10-21-2014, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by snowman4951

Hello everyone. I have a 2011 SS Convertible. Later than sooner, I want to get a Super Charger. Too much money right now. Anyway, I have Kooks LT headers and Catback, a K&N CAI, a computer tune, and a 160 degree thermostat.

After talking to a few want to be mechanics, they said I should get a Cam.
So, would getting a Cam wake my car up a little more? What type of Cam? Do I need to get anything else when I get a Cam?

Obviously cost is huge. But can anyone give me a ballpark figure and time frame the job would take? I'm going through Rad treatment, so I have to really budget well. I appreciate the help in advance! Thank you!

Sounds like you have a nice start going with the mods! When you are choosing your cam, definitely keep the supercharger in mind, this way you don't have to do the job twice to get good results with the supercharger down the road.

You'll need to delete DOD at least. With the cam, if you stay small/medium sized you can keep the stock torque converter. If you want something that has a good lope to it, make sure you figure a converter into your budget as well!

We sell a cam installation kit as well that covers what you would want for the cam install as far as parts go - double valvesprings, pushrods, gaskets, timing chain, etc all in one shot. I'd also suggest replacing the oil pump during the cam swap as well.

62nalide · 10-21-2014, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Scuzz

I have not heard of any high hp Supercharged applications running a vvt. I may be wrong, but I have not seen one talked about or posted.

There's a few 1000hp plus vvt cars out there

10-18-2014, 11:09 AM	#1
snowman4951 snowman4951 Drives: 2011 Camaro SS Convertible Join Date: May 2013 Location: Bucks Co. PA Posts: 113	Warning Noob questions! Hello everyone. I have a 2011 SS Convertible. Later than sooner, I want to get a Super Charger. Too much money right now. Anyway, I have Kooks LT headers and Catback, a K&N CAI, a computer tune, and a 160 degree thermostat. After talking to a few want to be mechanics, they said I should get a Cam. So, would getting a Cam wake my car up a little more? What type of Cam? Do I need to get anything else when I get a Cam? Obviously cost is huge. But can anyone give me a ballpark figure and time frame the job would take? I'm going through Rad treatment, so I have to really budget well. I appreciate the help in advance! Thank you! __________________ Super Beast

10-18-2014, 12:31 PM	#2
RBL Drives: 2010 camaro 2SS Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: WV Posts: 400	You're 1.5 hours from East Coast Supercharging which is one of the very best shops in the country, you should give them a call. __________________ www.lashwaymotorsports.com 2012 L99, whipple, Roto-Fab, Stainless Power headers, ZL1 fuel pump, cat delete.

10-19-2014, 10:17 AM	#4
snowman4951 snowman4951 Drives: 2011 Camaro SS Convertible Join Date: May 2013 Location: Bucks Co. PA Posts: 113	ttt __________________ Super Beast

10-19-2014, 10:51 AM	#5
Scuzz Drives: 2012 Camaro SS Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Mckinney, TX Posts: 347 View My Garage	If you are a auto, cam and conversion will run 3.5k about if you are paying a shop for labor/parts/tune. Manual is probably about 1.5k I gained 75 or so rwhp from my cam. I went with a gt11, but switched to a gt9 when I added a supercharger __________________ 2012 Camaro SS Automatic AGP Twin Turbo LSX427 / ADM Magic / 4L80 “1360 Rwhp 1225 Rwtq 25 lbs of boost”

10-19-2014, 03:00 PM	#7
rberns Drives: 2011 Camaro 2SS/RS Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: US Posts: 3,291 View My Garage	I paid $5500 for parts and labor on my A6. I did the LS3 conversion, but I recommend staying VVT as they have proven themselves to be better than the LS3 conversions. My mind set is if I am going to do it, then do it right and upgrade all the parts to minimize failures. Here is the list for my LS3 conversion: BTR .660 dual springs BTR .740 pushrods BTR seats, locks, retainers BTR SLR lifters 3 bolt timing gear Katech C5R timing chain Melling 10296 oil pump LS9 head gaskets ARP head bolts, crank bolt LS2 lifter trays LS2 timing dampner Cam Motion Cam Circle D converter ADM transmission cooler LS3 valley cover LS3 front timing cover w/sensor Cam retaining plate 2 water pump gaskets Comp Cam trunion upgrade There might be a few more, but this is what I can remember off the top of my head. __________________ 2011 Camaro 2SS/RS, Circle D 3200, ADM Transmission Cooler, BTR Valvetrain, Cam Motion .621 .595 228/244 113+4, ARH 1 7/8 full exhaust, Cold Air Inductions, Katech C5R TC, Melling HV, BTR SLR lifters, Trunion Upgrade, LS2 Dampner, LS9 head gaskets, Bo White PTB, MM can, GFX, Subs, B&M Deep transmission pan, Holley fuel rail, Proform valve covers, relocated coil packs Last edited by rberns; 10-19-2014 at 04:53 PM.

10-19-2014, 05:20 PM	#8
Scuzz Drives: 2012 Camaro SS Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Mckinney, TX Posts: 347 View My Garage	Staying vvt is really only a option if he wasn't going to super charge. But as he said he wants to supercharge doing the full ls3 conversion is what he should do. __________________ 2012 Camaro SS Automatic AGP Twin Turbo LSX427 / ADM Magic / 4L80 “1360 Rwhp 1225 Rwtq 25 lbs of boost”

10-19-2014, 08:44 PM	#10
Scuzz Drives: 2012 Camaro SS Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Mckinney, TX Posts: 347 View My Garage	I have not heard of any high hp Supercharged applications running a vvt. I may be wrong, but I have not seen one talked about or posted. __________________ 2012 Camaro SS Automatic AGP Twin Turbo LSX427 / ADM Magic / 4L80 “1360 Rwhp 1225 Rwtq 25 lbs of boost”

10-19-2014, 09:23 PM	#12
Scuzz Drives: 2012 Camaro SS Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Mckinney, TX Posts: 347 View My Garage	He stopped at 654 rwhp. I don't even consider myself a high hp application and I'm low 700's now. I don't see keeping vvt going high hp worth the potential complications. __________________ 2012 Camaro SS Automatic AGP Twin Turbo LSX427 / ADM Magic / 4L80 “1360 Rwhp 1225 Rwtq 25 lbs of boost”