ZL1 vs Hellcat

DC0118 · 12-17-2016, 07:06 AM

FastCarFanBoy · 12-17-2016, 08:09 AM

another Hennessey fail....does he not know a manual Hellcat exists or is he intentionally trying to skew the results?

GossipSquirrelJelena · 12-17-2016, 08:18 AM

Manuals just don't hold up to autos nowadays. I'll wait for the auto vs auto race.

Norm Peterson · 12-17-2016, 10:29 AM

The power and weight differences were noted, but what might be more telling at high speed would be the difference in aerodynamic drag. My guess is that puts the (obvious from the get-go) power advantage to the H'cat, but the other two in the ZL1's court.

They really were running very close to even except for when the ZL1 needed to upshift. While that makes the H'cat as a car quicker, it doesn't make its car+driver combination better.

Norm

JFM-jr · 12-18-2016, 08:48 AM

This outcome is no surprise an A10 would make this a much different race. Needless thing to say here is on a road course the Hellcat will get obliterated

jdasnt3 · 12-18-2016, 09:05 AM

One actual ZL1 owner reported a match between his car and his friend's Hellkitty. He would out launch with the Hellkitty slowly creeping back into it at the top end.

Dodge has built a really fast car even with the weight.

RuthleSSchevy · 12-18-2016, 09:29 AM

Stock vs Stock at NE dragway id bet on the Zl1 A10 every time. Ive seen more than a few make passes and have had a chance to drive the Charger. factory tires its any ones guess, maybe break into the 12s? or get them to stick and run high 11s. DR only consistent 10.6-10.7 every time

On the street in NE with charger factory tires... putting power down on these roads is scary in the cat. Have a hard time finding the happy medium, Either spin or cut power.

They are no joke with DR's

BahamaTodd · 12-19-2016, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

another Hennessey fail....does he not know a manual Hellcat exists or is he intentionally trying to skew the results?

These are the two cars they had and they raced them. No one has an auto ZL1 yet. Might as well take the opportunity. This is just another point of reference.

ULTRAZLS1 · 12-19-2016, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by RuthleSSchevy

Stock vs Stock at NE dragway id bet on the Zl1 A10 every time. Ive seen more than a few make passes and have had a chance to drive the Charger. factory tires its any ones guess, maybe break into the 12s? or get them to stick and run high 11s. DR only consistent 10.6-10.7 every time

On the street in NE with charger factory tires... putting power down on these roads is scary in the cat. Have a hard time finding the happy medium, Either spin or cut power.

They are no joke with DR's

Must be a fast track. Watched one run all night at Milan in slightly negative DA. DR only.

10.8 was his best pass of the night. I thought 10.7 range dr only was the fastest of all time confirmed stock. Not every time. Maybe on your track but not here. It won't even run 10s in the summer here. He worked his ass off to get into the 10s in negative DA.

That said. A10 vs a8 I'm not sure which will be faster. I wouldn't be surprised either way

RuthleSSchevy · 12-19-2016, 04:39 PM

Yes agree every track is different everyday, the Stock HC charger with some basic Weight reduction and DR's seems to be a consistent high 10s car? The 3 or 4 i know here manage to keep up

What i was getting at is as a street performance car the HC is lacking on its dated chassis and TMS abilities. No comparison to the new ZL1 and 10speed heading its way. With both being at the same price point

Ive found the gen6 M6 SS has proven to be quicker and far more responsive, off those long straights..

macwest · 12-23-2016, 01:16 PM

Realistic match up. More likely then not if you are buying a zl1 you will buy a stick and on a hellcat the common is auto.

Michigan1LTRS · 12-23-2016, 01:51 PM

Hey, a ZL1 vs Hellcat thread. Sweet! I been waiting for one of these.

396ssrat · 01-12-2017, 10:10 PM

New news is that Dodge is introducing a Hellcat killing Challenger Demon. 2018 model which will be on sale this year. I knew they couldn't stand it when the ZL1 produced the numbers. LMAO

hotlap · 01-16-2017, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by 396ssrat

New news is that Dodge is introducing a Hellcat killing Challenger Demon. 2018 model which will be on sale this year. I knew they couldn't stand it when the ZL1 produced the numbers. LMAO

"More power" is the only card Dodge has to play. It's a very old chassis and they can't afford to develop a new one.

12-17-2016, 10:29 AM	#4
Norm Peterson corner barstool sitter Drives: 08 Mustang GT, 19 WRX Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Eastern Time Zone Posts: 6,990	The power and weight differences were noted, but what might be more telling at high speed would be the difference in aerodynamic drag. My guess is that puts the (obvious from the get-go) power advantage to the H'cat, but the other two in the ZL1's court. They really were running very close to even except for when the ZL1 needed to upshift. While that makes the H'cat as a car quicker, it doesn't make its car+driver combination better. Norm __________________ '08 GT coupe 5M (the occasional track toy) '19 WRX 6M (the family sedan . . . seriously)

12-18-2016, 08:48 AM	#5
JFM-jr Drives: 2016 Camaro 2SS Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Suffolk Long Island Posts: 954	This outcome is no surprise an A10 would make this a much different race. Needless thing to say here is on a road course the Hellcat will get obliterated __________________ 2016 Hyper Blue 2SS A8,NPP,Moonroof Pray ported factory intake manifold Ported TB Rotofab ARH 1 7/8 longtubes hi flow cats AFM deleted E85 11.0@124.9 11.65@118.8 pump gas,stock tune/exhaust New combo: Pray Performance Heads/cam MSD intake manifold and Circle D 3C 554/491 on E85 all work & tuning done by Pray

12-18-2016, 09:05 AM	#6
jdasnt3 Drives: 18 Silverado 1500 Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: Bradenton, FL Posts: 1,721	One actual ZL1 owner reported a match between his car and his friend's Hellkitty. He would out launch with the Hellkitty slowly creeping back into it at the top end. Dodge has built a really fast car even with the weight. __________________ 16 Red Hot 2SS A8: NPP, CAI Cold air, Ported TB, Fasterproms Ported intake, E85 flex, Formatto tuned. 11.80@118 with 1.92 60' (600-700 DA) on stock run flats.

12-18-2016, 09:29 AM	#7
RuthleSSchevy Drives: 2016Camaro+1968Chevelle+1954BelAir Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: NH Posts: 149	Stock vs Stock at NE dragway id bet on the Zl1 A10 every time. Ive seen more than a few make passes and have had a chance to drive the Charger. factory tires its any ones guess, maybe break into the 12s? or get them to stick and run high 11s. DR only consistent 10.6-10.7 every time On the street in NE with charger factory tires... putting power down on these roads is scary in the cat. Have a hard time finding the happy medium, Either spin or cut power. They are no joke with DR's __________________ "Lead me, follow me, or get out of my way." GGSP

12-19-2016, 04:39 PM	#10
RuthleSSchevy Drives: 2016Camaro+1968Chevelle+1954BelAir Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: NH Posts: 149	Yes agree every track is different everyday, the Stock HC charger with some basic Weight reduction and DR's seems to be a consistent high 10s car? The 3 or 4 i know here manage to keep up What i was getting at is as a street performance car the HC is lacking on its dated chassis and TMS abilities. No comparison to the new ZL1 and 10speed heading its way. With both being at the same price point Ive found the gen6 M6 SS has proven to be quicker and far more responsive, off those long straights.. __________________ "Lead me, follow me, or get out of my way." GGSP

12-17-2016, 08:09 AM	#2
FastCarFanBoy Banned Drives: 2013 GB GT Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Florida Posts: 954	another Hennessey fail....does he not know a manual Hellcat exists or is he intentionally trying to skew the results?

12-17-2016, 08:18 AM	#3
GossipSquirrelJelena Account Suspended Drives: 2015 Mustang GT. Supercharged. Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: South Jersey Posts: 971	Manuals just don't hold up to autos nowadays. I'll wait for the auto vs auto race.

12-23-2016, 01:16 PM	#11
macwest Drives: 10 Camaro 2SS/RS, 70 Cuda, 71 Cuda Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Oakley - Northern California Posts: 1,156 View My Garage	Realistic match up. More likely then not if you are buying a zl1 you will buy a stick and on a hellcat the common is auto. __________________ "Z28 = first time I bought a new car just to strip parts for my current ride. GM needs to re-think restricted parts. "

12-23-2016, 01:51 PM	#12
Michigan1LTRS Blessed ❤️ Drives: 2017 1LT RS I4 Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Indiana Posts: 2,577	Hey, a ZL1 vs Hellcat thread. Sweet! I been waiting for one of these. __________________ 2017 1LT RS I4 A8 BLACK ON BLACK Kindness and compassion #OthersFirst

01-12-2017, 10:10 PM	#13
396ssrat Drives: 66 Chevelle SS Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: SoCal Posts: 1,347	New news is that Dodge is introducing a Hellcat killing Challenger Demon. 2018 model which will be on sale this year. I knew they couldn't stand it when the ZL1 produced the numbers. LMAO

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