The 2011+ Mustang Thread

[Sax1031]

Looks are subjective. Blood not boiled.

And no their was not always be a Camaro to compete with the Mustang. And their was almost no GM or Chevy.

Edit: As long as their is an american tax payer we will have the domestic manufacturers.

[Inferno2SS]

I am curious, Ive read that smaller wheels are better for 1/4 mile times, relative to the 20s that come on the Camaros. How much of a gain do the Mustangs get by coming with 19s along with the 3.73 gear ratio? Is there that much difference between 19s and 20s, when it comes to 1/4 mile times.

[76z28]

i think its "rigged" in a way
i dont like motor trend anymore they are too biased

[Sax1031]

Originally Posted by Inferno2SS

I am curious, Ive read that smaller wheels are better for 1/4 mile times, relative to the 20s that come on the Camaros. How much of a gain do the Mustangs get by coming with 19s along with the 3.73 gear ratio? Is there that much difference between 19s and 20s, when it comes to 1/4 mile times.

That is a very complicated question to answer. And not easily.

Generally speaking the tire size can change your gear ratio. The best I can do is show you a test from Car and Driver where they tested different size tires on the same car.




but even this is not exactly what you are asking. If you change the tire diameter from what your car came with stock it is almost, if very slightly, like changing the gear ratio. A larger diameter tire and you will lose some acceleration and gain some top end. A smaller diameter you will gain some acceleration and some top end.

But this is very very general explanation. A lot of variables come into play.

[Inferno2SS]

Originally Posted by Sax1031

That is a very complicated question to answer. And not easily.

Generally speaking the tire size can change your gear ratio. The best I can do is show you a test from Car and Driver where they tested different size tires on the same car.




but even this is not exactly what you are asking. If you change the tire diameter from what your car came with stock it is almost, if very slightly, like changing the gear ratio. A larger diameter tire and you will lose some acceleration and gain some top end. A smaller diameter you will gain some acceleration and some top end.

But this is very very general explanation. A lot of variables come into play.

That is pretty interesting stuff, thanks for posting.

Interesting that the braking is better with the larger/wider wheels until you get to the 15 inch which is better then the 16 inch.

[Sax1031]

The braking and handling should be better with the taller and more importantly and usually wider tire. The bigger tires put more of the tire on the ground, or contact patch, than smaller tires.

The 15 inch tire should have braked worse than the 16. That is of course assuming everything was equal on the test/surface and the tire design/tread/etc the same between the tire on the 15 and 16.

[Unfair]

Originally Posted by Sax1031

The braking and handling should be better with the taller and more importantly and usually wider tire. The bigger tires put more of the tire on the ground, or contact patch, than smaller tires.

The 15 inch tire should have braked worse than the 16. That is of course assuming everything was equal on the test/surface and the tire design/tread/etc the same between the tire on the 15 and 16.

I would think the 15' stopped better because of less rolling weight? maybe

[Sax1031]

Originally Posted by Unfair

I would think the 15' stopped better because of less rolling weight? maybe

That of course could of played into between a 15 and a 16. But I am not sure.

[8cd03gro]

Originally Posted by a_Username

BUT WAIT! They weren't compared on the same day, so the comparison is irrelevant!

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...son/index.html

Isn't the fastest ever stock 5th gen time a 12.6? 12.7@111.3 w/ all the extra weight in there. Stock for stock you guys are going to have a drivers race, but the edge will be to the mustang. Every equal comparison shows that. Now modded, we will just have to wait and see.

Whoever was talking about BMEP, good luck making 200 PSI reliably on a pushrod, daily driven engine without a LOOOOOT of money. On top of that, while BMEP is a good indicator, it only works for average torque and IC engines' torque fluctuates massively, with certain strokes even reversing torque values completely in single cylinder engines. Although that doesn't apply all that much here, you get the idea. BMEP is a useful tool, but not an end all. That being said, we won't know how the 5.0 responds to modifications until it is out. Results will depend on plenty of factors that we really can't know for sure yet. It's all speculation at this point.

[fielderLS3]

Originally Posted by rayhawk

Without torque, there is no hp. Torque is the force generated at some distance from the center of rotation, hp is how fast that torque is applied. You can't have hp without torque as you said, they are inter-related.

You can have power without torque. You just have to rev the engine to the sky. After all, I think the LS3 makes more torque than an F1 engine.

[fielderLS3]

Originally Posted by Sax1031

Yes hp is derived from torque.

What I am saying is let me make my hp high in the rpm range so that I can gear the thing for performance.

You can keep the low range torque numbers.

And yes a 6.2 has more potential than a 5.0.

Depends on what you use the car for. Horsepower is for racing. Torque is for driving.

[Zeus]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

Yes. I have seen it said here before. But not nearly as many times as ive seen it on pro-mustang boards obviously. The consensus for some is pretty much that the 5.0 has nothing to worry about N/A to N/A vs the LS3.

It is usually to the effect of the 5.0 design being so amazing that it can overcome all the displacement advantage the LS3 has...seen it posted hundreds of times all over the net.

One memorable post on here I recall from one of our very beloved and daily breed of trolls, was a post featuring the infamous new video of the camaro losing to the mustang (posted for the 100th time....literally) accompanied by a suggestion for us to pull off our stock heads and replace the cam to compete....and thats just the beginning.

They should be happier with the 300lb weight advantage. Thats something the chevy will never get back.

[ViperTomcat]

Originally Posted by tony1

if the Ford stock for stock can now run equal with the SS.. to each his own.

It doesnt run equal with the SS..it outruns it. It is better to admit when you're beaten, go home and get back into shape (start modding!!) and come back for round two.

Stock SS vs. Stock GT..and the Camaro more than likely loses because it is fighting a 200+ lb weight disadvantage.

[Craig]

Well with today's press release detailing the minimal (as expected) changes for MY2011 at least we can at least put to rest these "it's not a fair test, wait till the '11 Camaro comes out" arguments.