1/9/09 IDL OFFICIAL THREAD - NEWS: PRODUCTION START DELAYED - Page 29 - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums

D1BADZ · 01-09-2009, 04:24 PM

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camaroconti@evs · 01-09-2009, 04:24 PM

Quote of the day from my buddy Greg
“If you have an order #, congratulations, you participated in a marketing program!”

Speedy1975 · 01-09-2009, 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StoutFiles

When I preordered i signed a contract saying they would not charge me over MSRP. Anyone else get the same deal?

But does that contract stipulate you'll get their 1st, 2nd, 3rd, nth Camaro SS delivered? If not then it doesn't mean squat, other than yes you'll get it for MSRP. You may have to wait until they sell all the other SSs they get for MSRP plus markup, then they'll sell you yours. Would that be ethical? Not in my eyes. Contractually legal? Absolutely.

UCF w00t · 01-09-2009, 04:25 PM

Autoweek has posted a story including some quotes from a GM spokesperson...

http://www.autoweek.com/article/20090109/FREE/901099971

detroitboy · 01-09-2009, 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StoutFiles

When I preordered i signed a contract saying they would not charge me over MSRP. Anyone else get the same deal?

Yup....in writing printed out on the deposit slip by the sales manager!

bigralph · 01-09-2009, 04:27 PM

Maybe GM don't have enough Ls3 to split between the Camaro and Corvette.

NUCAR · 01-09-2009, 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StoutFiles

So...when's the news supposed to get here?

Looks Rick and Scotty were first to break the news. I had customers with me in the IDL and was too busy asking questions and writing orders afterwards to get back quickly. I'll be back later tonight if all goes well.

MerF · 01-09-2009, 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trm0002

I wrote in one of these threads that the problem may be, my guess, that Oshawa has two separate production lines running, V6/V8, because the chassis are different for each. They may simply not be able to run the V8's on "line 2". That would make perfect sense on the 50/50 split. What are they going to do, shut down line 2 ? That doesn't mean line 1 can put out more V8's. It just means line 2 puts out less V6's. Only a guess on my part. Waiting for someone like OshawaInsider to shed some light.

And you were responded with a simple line "it's a flex line" which means that is not true. The technological breakthrough that is the "flex line" is that it's "flexible" to produce more than one chassis.

I think.

trm0002 · 01-09-2009, 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigralph

Maybe GM don't have enough Ls3 to split between the Camaro and Corvette.

They can make engines faster than they can make cars...

trm0002 · 01-09-2009, 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MerF

And you were responded with a simple line "it's a flex line" which means that is not true. The technological breakthrough that is the "flex line" is that it's "flexible" to produce more than one chassis.

I think.

Oops, missed that...

There are a few posts to dig through here...

smhss · 01-09-2009, 04:30 PM

The more I think about the news about the SS, the less surprised I am in a historical context. It is documented that this sort of high handed treatment (read: arrogance) of "the customer" has helped to bring GM to its current state. Take just one of the many former GM divisions--Electro-Motive. Once THE preeminent locomotive builder, they chased off their business by telling railroads WHAT they would build and WHEN they would get it. Well, GE was there to build and deliver, and EMD ended up being jettisoned in the midst of a boom in the locomotive market. Sic Transit Gloria Mundi...

GatorBlue371 · 01-09-2009, 04:30 PM

Its a good thing we dont get Red brembos.... im sure that paint would have driven the $$ up...

Speedy1975 · 01-09-2009, 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Badger

Oh I agree with you...I'm not worried about a 4 week delay..thats not my problem...This "chicken Little" "the Sky is Falling"! about the V8 is whats got me upset...I will be content in Knowing I will have a car at least by Mid July..I too do not want to take delivery of a car in October to just put it away until the following Spring. hey.. maybe thats why they are pushing snow tires

I'd not wanna have a car only to store it for months before driving it either, but now let's add another thorn to your dilemma.

Let's say you don't get your car until September or October. Excited just to get it you go ahead with it, store it until April of 2009 or whatever. Then 6 months later you find out they've added HUD, ABL, 3.73 gears, and offering 0% financing and $1000 cash back on 2011 models.

That's the type of reality you have to be willing to accept to have something brand new first model year. I mean someone has to buy the first model year cars, but they nearly always get the short end of the stick in the long run. That's just how it is.

Speedy1975 · 01-09-2009, 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by detroitboy

Yup....in writing printed out on the deposit slip by the sales manager!

Again I ask:

But does that contract stipulate you'll get their 1st, 2nd, 3rd, nth Camaro SS delivered? If not then it doesn't mean squat, other than yes you'll get it for MSRP. You may have to wait until they sell all the other SSs they get for MSRP plus markup, then they'll sell you yours. Would that be ethical? Not in my eyes. Contractually legal? Absolutely.

01-09-2009, 04:24 PM	#393
D1BADZ hmmmmm Drives: 2010 IOM in-n-out 2SS Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: San Jose, Ca Posts: 1,325 View My Garage	Sad Friday indeed :(

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GatorBlue371 Drives: vrooooom vrooooom Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Florida Posts: 1,375	Its a good thing we dont get Red brembos.... im sure that paint would have driven the $$ up... __________________ "With a light touch on the brakes, run the revs up a bit. Slip off the brake and bury the throttle. There's a light chirp as tires scratch for bite. Then comes a sub-5.0-second sled ride to 60 mph. A tick over 13.0 sec. and you're through the quarter-mile. It's a rush, of course, but not overly dramatic. Try the same thing with this pair's predecessors of 1970 or so and you'll find yourself in a bit of a wrestling match. Ain't progress wonderful? Maybe yes, and maybe sometimes it's fun to wrestle."

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smhss Drives: '11 Silverado, '10 Camaro 2SS... Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Conyers, Ga Posts: 161 View My Garage	The more I think about the news about the SS, the less surprised I am in a historical context. It is documented that this sort of high handed treatment (read: arrogance) of "the customer" has helped to bring GM to its current state. Take just one of the many former GM divisions--Electro-Motive. Once THE preeminent locomotive builder, they chased off their business by telling railroads WHAT they would build and WHEN they would get it. Well, GE was there to build and deliver, and EMD ended up being jettisoned in the midst of a boom in the locomotive market. Sic Transit Gloria Mundi...