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JTruck · 06-21-2015, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe M 2012 2SS

Roshan, you know I trust your judgement. By the same token, if someone with the stature of Kevin Brown advocates a process involved in detailing, it's difficult to dismiss it as useless.

That being said, not as JTruck would like to make it out, this is not an arguement, but rather a discussion amongst friends involving a detailing process. I have e-mailed Kevin to get his feedback and hope to get a response, not in effort to "win" a discussion, but just to find out what his reasoning and experience are with IPA. I'll post if he replies. Kevin is so "specifics" oriented, and surely does the IPA for a reason.

Knowing which one provides the best way to "prep" the surface would be of benefit to all of us who detail on this site. Again I make no intention to impune your tests. Only to get insight from Kevin's reasoning for usage of IPA.

What. I didn't even say a word yet.

ihaveacamaro · 06-22-2015, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Joe M 2012 2SS

Roshan, you know I trust your judgement. By the same token, if someone with the stature of Kevin Brown advocates a process involved in detailing, it's difficult to dismiss it as useless.

That being said, not as JTruck would like to make it out, this is not an arguement, but rather a discussion amongst friends involving a detailing process. I have e-mailed Kevin to get his feedback and hope to get a response, not in effort to "win" a discussion, but just to find out what his reasoning and experience are with IPA. I'll post if he replies. Kevin is so "specifics" oriented, and surely does the IPA for a reason.

Knowing which one provides the best way to "prep" the surface would be of benefit to all of us who detail on this site. Again I make no intention to impune your tests. Only to get insight from Kevin's reasoning for usage of IPA.

Let me know what he says.

seven · 06-22-2015, 07:57 AM

This is getting annoying

Joe M 2012 2SS · 06-24-2015, 10:09 PM

Well I haven't received a response from Kevin. So I called another well established detailer I know and he explained it like this. IPA removes waxes and sealants by dissolving them. How much does it dissolve? No way of really knowing, as how much wax/sealant is actually on the surface will vary from car to car.

Claying will remove some wax and sealant as well. How much? Again too many variables, how well was the surface prepped before application? How durable is the product used? How degraded had it become from being on the car?

Paint prep products come in two forms, abrasive and non-abrasive. They can actually lift the old wax/sealant that remains off the surface, abrasive one's will remove embedded contaminates that clay cannot.

So what's the bottom line? If your going to compound and polish the car anyway, the clay will remove some of what's left on, (Of course if your doing a conventional 2 bucket wash, a soap like chemical guys citrus used in stronger concentration will strip the old wax/sealant) and the minimum amount that's left on the surface will be removed by the compound anyway.

So prepping with either IPA or a paint prep at this point is unnecessary, as the compound will be abrading the surface and removing it anyway.

After polishing IPA can be used to remove the residue left over.

If your just doing a wash and wax/sealant without polishing, paint prep is a good idea after claying, to remove old residue, and also embedded contaminates the clay didn't get, to maximize the bond between the paint and the LSP. It's kind of like taking a piece of tape and trying to stick it to a dirty surface. It won't bond as well as it would if the surface was clean.

HAMBO · 06-25-2015, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by BeastMode

Detailing day ended up being a bit of a flop. I was all ready to go and start polishing at 7am, then the individual who was going to help me out and lend me the tools/supplies didn't show up until 10 since he was hung over. At that point I had about an hour of working time with the polisher before it was too warm out and working was fruitless (no shade in the parking lot within reach of an outlet). In that time I got about half the hood done, and came to accept that I need a heavier duty polish/pad combo - I was able to get 75% of the swirls off the hood, but it took forever to do even that. Friend claimed it would be sufficient, but I now realize his definition of a clean finish is much different than mine.

Since I won't be able to revisit it for another couple weeks, I moved to some shade and applied a coat of wax to the car.

Game plan now...order up my own 7424 and all my own supplies, so I can work on this when I want to and not be relying on someone else.

I also live in an apartment and have trouble finding appropriate outlets. I ended up getting one of these and hooked it up to a portable battery I already had:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...ilpage_o04_s00

Obviously not a practical solution for someone planning to spend ample time detailing, but I've gotten a good couple of hours out of it, which suits my needs.

BeastMode · 06-25-2015, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by HAMBO

I also live in an apartment and have trouble finding appropriate outlets. I ended up getting one of these and hooked it up to a portable battery I already had:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...ilpage_o04_s00

Obviously not a practical solution for someone planning to spend ample time detailing, but I've gotten a good couple of hours out of it, which suits my needs.

Thanks for sending that my way, might have to look into it.

We are in a first floor unit facing the parking lot, and have several outlets on our patio that I can use (cars are only 6' off the patio). Next time around I might drive up to my parents and camp out for the day, they have a car port I can utilize.

WiSSDiver · 06-28-2015, 05:48 PM

So it's been a while from me to post on here, but it does seem like an unnecessary step to IPA. Without trying "whip out" my resume, the best way I found to truly get rid of most LSP before taking the polisher back to the surface was to toss a cap full of ACP into my wash bucket. How did I know all of the LSP was gone? I could tell when I dried the car just by how the water blew off vs when there was still product on the surface. Now before I would dry off the car and after the wash, I would clay, then wash the car again, rinse then dry. That's just my routine for when I clay but before I polish and one could argue this a worthless step. Regardless, I think we agree the goal is to get as much of the old stuff off before taking the polisher to the surface, but the surface is fairly forgiving if you don't get absolutely every last inch of LSP and you'll damn sure get it with the polisher.

06-22-2015, 07:57 AM	#31
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06-28-2015, 05:48 PM	#35
WiSSDiver Drives: 1968 Coupe, 2010 2SS, 2011 2SS/RS Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: WIsconsin Posts: 1,252 View My Garage	So it's been a while from me to post on here, but it does seem like an unnecessary step to IPA. Without trying "whip out" my resume, the best way I found to truly get rid of most LSP before taking the polisher back to the surface was to toss a cap full of ACP into my wash bucket. How did I know all of the LSP was gone? I could tell when I dried the car just by how the water blew off vs when there was still product on the surface. Now before I would dry off the car and after the wash, I would clay, then wash the car again, rinse then dry. That's just my routine for when I clay but before I polish and one could argue this a worthless step. Regardless, I think we agree the goal is to get as much of the old stuff off before taking the polisher to the surface, but the surface is fairly forgiving if you don't get absolutely every last inch of LSP and you'll damn sure get it with the polisher. __________________

06-24-2015, 10:09 PM	#32
Joe M 2012 2SS Drives: 2012 2SS Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Shelby NC Posts: 2,549 View My Garage	Well I haven't received a response from Kevin. So I called another well established detailer I know and he explained it like this. IPA removes waxes and sealants by dissolving them. How much does it dissolve? No way of really knowing, as how much wax/sealant is actually on the surface will vary from car to car. Claying will remove some wax and sealant as well. How much? Again too many variables, how well was the surface prepped before application? How durable is the product used? How degraded had it become from being on the car? Paint prep products come in two forms, abrasive and non-abrasive. They can actually lift the old wax/sealant that remains off the surface, abrasive one's will remove embedded contaminates that clay cannot. So what's the bottom line? If your going to compound and polish the car anyway, the clay will remove some of what's left on, (Of course if your doing a conventional 2 bucket wash, a soap like chemical guys citrus used in stronger concentration will strip the old wax/sealant) and the minimum amount that's left on the surface will be removed by the compound anyway. So prepping with either IPA or a paint prep at this point is unnecessary, as the compound will be abrading the surface and removing it anyway. After polishing IPA can be used to remove the residue left over. If your just doing a wash and wax/sealant without polishing, paint prep is a good idea after claying, to remove old residue, and also embedded contaminates the clay didn't get, to maximize the bond between the paint and the LSP. It's kind of like taking a piece of tape and trying to stick it to a dirty surface. It won't bond as well as it would if the surface was clean.