ARH/NOWEEDS/BORLA - Please Help Me to Decide! - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums

2L8IWON · 08-24-2009, 05:25 AM

I'm hoping you can help me here. I'm definitely planning on having the ARH long tubes headers installed. Problem now is that I can't figure out if it's best for me to add a Borla S axle back or the Noweeds diverter kit or both. I guess my main question is will the noweeds diverters open up louder than the ARH LT's and Borla muffllers if I want that once in awhile or will there be no point in adding the noweeds diverters with the already aggressive ARH LT's and Borla mufflers?
I figure the noweeds diverters will get me loud enough when I want with the ARH's, but I'm leaning for the Borla for the all-the-time deeper sound.
I also don't want to drive my family and neighbors nuts with noise, but I want it to sound like it's supposed to while fitting it's image. That's why it's hard for me to figure this out.

What do you guys think the best option is here...
ARH LT's + NOWEEDS diverters?
ARH LT's + BORLA axle back?
ARH LT's + Borla axle back + NOWEEDS?

*Mindz* · 08-24-2009, 05:44 AM

don't need the muffler. diverters do just fine.

*radz28* · 08-24-2009, 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mindz

don't need the muffler. diverters do just fine.

+1

That thing would sound CRAZY with the LTs and Noweeds,

Yellow2010 · 08-24-2009, 11:18 AM

NOWEEDS!!!! Have it, get it, and you will love it!!!

ZZcamaro · 08-24-2009, 11:26 AM

Isnt the Noweeds a 2.5" kit?
That would be a restricting point in the system then

Croathlete · 08-24-2009, 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZZcamaro

Isnt the Noweeds a 2.5" kit?
That would be a restricting point in the system then

They're in the process of making a kit that mates up with the ARH LT Headers, basically a 3" version.

I'd personally be worried about the lack of back pressure at that point and a loss of low-end torque.

now · 08-24-2009, 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Croathlete

They're in the process of making a kit that mates up with the ARH LT Headers, basically a 3" version.

I'd personally be worried about the lack of back pressure at that point and a loss of low-end torque.

Here is a sneak peek at the 3" ARE system. Subject so small changes of course. Shown here are the diverters backwards from how they will actually be installed. The actuators will go to the outside edge of the car. This unit will replace the lap joint just before the "X" pipe and direct the exhaust back around, down, and out just like our factory systems.

2 cuts and 2 clamps per side and you are done. With the exception of the wiring.

ZZcamaro · 08-24-2009, 01:26 PM

They look good. I am definetly interested in becoming a dealer....

PM sent

2L8IWON · 08-24-2009, 02:26 PM

Good advice so far you guys. I'm definitely planning on the ARH LT's and NOWEEDS diverters!!! Still taking votes on whether after-market mufflers will be needed.
As far as the diverter switch goes, is it true that there are three buttons. One for closed, one for open and one in between to keep set wherever you want for normal driving? If this is true then I definitely don't need mufflers, but I still have to wonder what the difference is between that prefered position sound on the diverters and a set of Borlas for everyday driving. If the sound is pretty comparable or better without the Borlas, my analyzing is over. I need input on this please.

Bewenched · 08-24-2009, 04:29 PM

JBA just came out with all their headers, midpipes and exhaust systems for the camaros as well...

khislop007 · 08-24-2009, 09:45 PM

I went with the ARH LT's and Borla. The noweeds is nice and I might go with this in the future if they come out with the 3".

2L8IWON · 08-25-2009, 12:26 AM

QUOTE=khislop007;839955]I went with the ARH LT's and Borla. The noweeds is nice and I might go with this in the future if they come out with the 3".[/QUOTE]

Dude! I'd love to hear a sound clip of your ARH and Borla if you can get one. I'm sure others are waiting for this as well.
Adding noweeds diverters after the ARH and Borlas is what I'm really curious to see how the noise level goes up to another level.

Croathlete · 08-25-2009, 05:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2L8IWON

Dude! I'd love to hear a sound clip of your ARH and Borla if you can get one. I'm sure others are waiting for this as well.
Adding noweeds diverters after the ARH and Borlas is what I'm really curious to see how the noise level goes up to another level.

The Borla's won't affect the Noweeds system at all. It'll sound the same regardless of an aftermarket or stock exhaust.

2L8IWON · 08-25-2009, 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Croathlete

The Borla's won't affect the Noweeds system at all. It'll sound the same regardless of an aftermarket or stock exhaust.

Very true! I guess my main point is to figure out which has the better sound between the ARH+Borla and the ARH+NOWEEDS. I've definitely decided to do the ARH+NOWEEDS, but I really want to know if driving with the Borlas would be a more enjoyable sound for everyday driving. That's what I can't figure out because of no sound clips or videos yet.
Really would like to hear the sound of the ARH+3" NOWEEDS to compare to the ARH+BORLAS!

08-24-2009, 05:25 AM	#1
2L8IWON Drives: 2010 Chevy Camaro 2SS RS SIM Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: McKinney, TX Posts: 470 View My Garage	ARH/NOWEEDS/BORLA - Please Help Me to Decide! I'm hoping you can help me here. I'm definitely planning on having the ARH long tubes headers installed. Problem now is that I can't figure out if it's best for me to add a Borla S axle back or the Noweeds diverter kit or both. I guess my main question is will the noweeds diverters open up louder than the ARH LT's and Borla muffllers if I want that once in awhile or will there be no point in adding the noweeds diverters with the already aggressive ARH LT's and Borla mufflers? I figure the noweeds diverters will get me loud enough when I want with the ARH's, but I'm leaning for the Borla for the all-the-time deeper sound. I also don't want to drive my family and neighbors nuts with noise, but I want it to sound like it's supposed to while fitting it's image. That's why it's hard for me to figure this out. What do you guys think the best option is here... ARH LT's + NOWEEDS diverters? ARH LT's + BORLA axle back? ARH LT's + Borla axle back + NOWEEDS? __________________ 2010 Camaro 2SS RS 6M SIM - GFX, Sunroof, Carbon Fiber Dash Kit, ARH Headers, ADM Intake, ADM tune, NLP Dove Tail

08-24-2009, 05:44 AM	#2
Mindz E.B.A.H. Drives: you wild... Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: In the happy padded room wearing a jacket that makes me hug myself... Posts: 18,421	don't need the muffler. diverters do just fine. __________________ Blue Rush, 2010 SS [Car of the Week 3/22/2010] Traded in on...ZLZBUBB, 2013 ZL1

08-24-2009, 11:18 AM	#4
Yellow2010 Drives: Rally Yellow 2SS 2010 Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Star, Mississippi Posts: 377 View My Garage	NOWEEDS!!!! Have it, get it, and you will love it!!! __________________

08-24-2009, 02:26 PM	#9
2L8IWON Drives: 2010 Chevy Camaro 2SS RS SIM Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: McKinney, TX Posts: 470 View My Garage	Good advice so far you guys. I'm definitely planning on the ARH LT's and NOWEEDS diverters!!! Still taking votes on whether after-market mufflers will be needed. As far as the diverter switch goes, is it true that there are three buttons. One for closed, one for open and one in between to keep set wherever you want for normal driving? If this is true then I definitely don't need mufflers, but I still have to wonder what the difference is between that prefered position sound on the diverters and a set of Borlas for everyday driving. If the sound is pretty comparable or better without the Borlas, my analyzing is over. I need input on this please. __________________ 2010 Camaro 2SS RS 6M SIM - GFX, Sunroof, Carbon Fiber Dash Kit, ARH Headers, ADM Intake, ADM tune, NLP Dove Tail

08-24-2009, 09:45 PM	#11
khislop007 ZEUSS Drives: Hard! Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Cayman Islands Posts: 2,567 View My Garage	I went with the ARH LT's and Borla. The noweeds is nice and I might go with this in the future if they come out with the 3". __________________

08-24-2009, 11:26 AM	#5
ZZcamaro Drives: 2SS w/ ZZ427 Package!! Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 2,700	Isnt the Noweeds a 2.5" kit? That would be a restricting point in the system then

08-24-2009, 01:26 PM	#8
ZZcamaro Drives: 2SS w/ ZZ427 Package!! Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 2,700	They look good. I am definetly interested in becoming a dealer.... PM sent

08-24-2009, 04:29 PM	#10
Bewenched Drives: 2010 Camaro Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: DFW Posts: 343 View My Garage	JBA just came out with all their headers, midpipes and exhaust systems for the camaros as well...

08-25-2009, 12:26 AM	#12
2L8IWON Drives: 2010 Chevy Camaro 2SS RS SIM Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: McKinney, TX Posts: 470 View My Garage	QUOTE=khislop007;839955]I went with the ARH LT's and Borla. The noweeds is nice and I might go with this in the future if they come out with the 3".[/QUOTE] Dude! I'd love to hear a sound clip of your ARH and Borla if you can get one. I'm sure others are waiting for this as well. Adding noweeds diverters after the ARH and Borlas is what I'm really curious to see how the noise level goes up to another level. __________________ 2010 Camaro 2SS RS 6M SIM - GFX, Sunroof, Carbon Fiber Dash Kit, ARH Headers, ADM Intake, ADM tune, NLP Dove Tail

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