HELP! Need to find better axles - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums

Powellbr · 11-12-2014, 11:22 AM

First off, I didn't know where else this thread would belong. I am going to be running a LSX 454 putting out 700 horse, a whipple W175ff w/ 15 lbs of boost, & an aftermarket exhaust system, no mufflers, resonators, or catts, & the Boost Cooler System from Snow Performance, & when everything's said and done, I'm going to be making at least 2,000 horse and will have the 9 inch rear end conversion kit from the Driveshaft shop. My problem is I don't know if I'll be fine or if I'll be breaking the axles every time I go & race I'll be busting my axles. Will I be fine or will I be needing to find new axles? If so, who to go with?

Superfly1 · 11-12-2014, 11:58 AM

G-Force make some good strong axles, and they have a lifetime guarantee. They are great people to deal with too...

ToddB · 11-12-2014, 12:34 PM

Your getting all that and wondering if you need new axles. Lol

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CamaroCracka · 11-12-2014, 01:00 PM

G Force and Driveshaft Shop are only two places I have heard of and neither make a 2000HP set.

The only thing I can think of stronger than that is to back half it and put a solid axle in there and a big one at that.

halo8hkk · 11-12-2014, 01:27 PM

i use geforce because of the lifetime warranty but i think there lv 5 axles are only rated to 1500hp at the wheels. if you are pushing more then that to the tires you might have to consider a solid axle conversion. i would give them a call and see what they have to say.

Powellbr · 11-12-2014, 02:25 PM

Aight thanks for that, also forgot to mention if it matters that I'm going to be putting on my Camaro sub-frame connectors from Granetelli motorsports, aftermarket motor mounts from BMR Suspension, new bushings therefrom, new trailing arms, control arms, and tie rods (all in the rear) to further improve handling. So in theory I'll only be losing around 400 horse from the crank to the rear, and I re-did my numbers and it's more like 2,400 horse.

RockerBox · 11-12-2014, 02:46 PM

If you're at that level then why not have a solid 9"axle put in? The IRS is on borrowed time at 2K HP no matter the upgrade.

goldcoastmat · 11-12-2014, 02:52 PM

I'm just going to leave this right here...

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=384216

Driveshaftshop · 11-12-2014, 04:50 PM

when you want axles that perform like the Atomic Fusion vette and the American racing Header Camaro look at the DSS parts, in more high end cars that do real number. Proven to take the abuse.

Rdunn · 11-12-2014, 04:57 PM

The 454 isn't the best choice if your going to boost

BOBSS · 11-12-2014, 07:16 PM

I have the Gforce rig, good to 1500
You will spend less for a straight axle and hook much better, trust me, I know.
The car will struggle at 500 rwhp, 2000? Forget it
The problem with your 454 is the 4.185 bore
The space between bores isn't wide enough for a gasket to hold that HP
If you are serious, look at a RHS tall deck
Long stroke, smaller bore
Consensus is 4.125 is ok

Powellbr · 11-13-2014, 08:55 AM

So then if the IRS is on borrowed time with that much power, would a solid 14-bolt axle handle that much power? If so, how do you do the conversion from multi-link IRS to a solid axle?

Powellbr · 11-13-2014, 09:14 AM

You know what is the scary part of this future build though. It's not the amount of money I'm gonna be spending on it, its that this 2k+ horse is gonna be all street legal ('cept for the noise and no catts) and will be used on the street.

CamaroCracka · 11-13-2014, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Powellbr

So then if the IRS is on borrowed time with that much power, would a solid 14-bolt axle handle that much power? If so, how do you do the conversion from multi-link IRS to a solid axle?

Unless your a fabrication badass, you're not doing it on your own. You can go with a kit or find a really great fabrication shop, generally not the same place that builds your motor.

11-12-2014, 11:22 AM	#1
Powellbr Drives: '99 Mitsubishi Mirage de coupe Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: East Carbon, UT Posts: 142	HELP! Need to find better axles First off, I didn't know where else this thread would belong. I am going to be running a LSX 454 putting out 700 horse, a whipple W175ff w/ 15 lbs of boost, & an aftermarket exhaust system, no mufflers, resonators, or catts, & the Boost Cooler System from Snow Performance, & when everything's said and done, I'm going to be making at least 2,000 horse and will have the 9 inch rear end conversion kit from the Driveshaft shop. My problem is I don't know if I'll be fine or if I'll be breaking the axles every time I go & race I'll be busting my axles. Will I be fine or will I be needing to find new axles? If so, who to go with?

11-12-2014, 11:58 AM	#2
Superfly1 Drives: 2010 Camaro 2LT #2197 Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Wichita, KS Posts: 916 View My Garage	G-Force make some good strong axles, and they have a lifetime guarantee. They are great people to deal with too... __________________ CAI intake \| OBX LT Headers \| Flowmaster AT Exhaust \| Trifecta Tune \| SS Rear Diff, Axles & Driveshaft Zex 100 Shot Nitrous \| Konig Airstrike Wheels \| Custom Engine Cover, Fuse Box & Underhood Bowtie Eibach Springs & SS Sway Bars \| BMR Strut Brace \| Drake Shifter \| Vitesse Paddles \| 13.26 @ 105.88 mph

11-12-2014, 01:00 PM	#4
CamaroCracka Drives: 2010 Turbo LS3 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Palm Bay, FL Posts: 2,736	G Force and Driveshaft Shop are only two places I have heard of and neither make a 2000HP set. The only thing I can think of stronger than that is to back half it and put a solid axle in there and a big one at that. __________________ 2010 SS - On3 kit with downpipe cutout, CTR 78/80, CompCam 239/251 620/632 122+4, E85, Z28 suspension and ZL1 diff with Outlaw axles. Gen6 ZL1/1LE brakes. 2011 Vert - 416/w 230/236 .612/.602 115lsa, 1LE suspension w/32mm rear bar. Z28 diff. ZL1 brakes.

11-12-2014, 01:27 PM	#5
halo8hkk Drives: 2000 Z28. 2010 1SS IMB. Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: New Mexico Posts: 1,081	i use geforce because of the lifetime warranty but i think there lv 5 axles are only rated to 1500hp at the wheels. if you are pushing more then that to the tires you might have to consider a solid axle conversion. i would give them a call and see what they have to say. __________________ 1990 RS = First Car -SOLD 2000 Z28 = SOLD 2010 1SS/RS = Mysstique Whipple Supercharger Dyno= 618hp 555tq at the wheels IMB Silver Stripes VIN#44025 Born: 9/9/09 Delivered: 9/28/09

11-12-2014, 02:52 PM	#8
goldcoastmat Drives: 2013 2SS/RS convertable Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Florida, United States Posts: 153 View My Garage	I'm just going to leave this right here... http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=384216 __________________ 2013 2SS/RS Vert Mods list to long to fit in sig now lol Check build thread http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=377507

11-12-2014, 12:34 PM	#3
ToddB Drives: 2011 2SS Convertible Supercharged Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: WI Cert Welder Navy NSSN Posts: 1,157	Your getting all that and wondering if you need new axles. Lol Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

11-12-2014, 02:25 PM	#6
Powellbr Drives: '99 Mitsubishi Mirage de coupe Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: East Carbon, UT Posts: 142	Aight thanks for that, also forgot to mention if it matters that I'm going to be putting on my Camaro sub-frame connectors from Granetelli motorsports, aftermarket motor mounts from BMR Suspension, new bushings therefrom, new trailing arms, control arms, and tie rods (all in the rear) to further improve handling. So in theory I'll only be losing around 400 horse from the crank to the rear, and I re-did my numbers and it's more like 2,400 horse.

11-12-2014, 02:46 PM	#7
RockerBox Drives: 2010 Silverado. Stock height now Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Springfield Va Posts: 307	If you're at that level then why not have a solid 9"axle put in? The IRS is on borrowed time at 2K HP no matter the upgrade.

11-12-2014, 04:50 PM	#9
Driveshaftshop Drives: own more cars than i can list Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Charlotte NC Posts: 1,124	when you want axles that perform like the Atomic Fusion vette and the American racing Header Camaro look at the DSS parts, in more high end cars that do real number. Proven to take the abuse.

11-12-2014, 04:57 PM	#10
Rdunn Really, Really Fast Drives: 2010 Camaro SS Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: St.Louis,Mo Posts: 686	The 454 isn't the best choice if your going to boost __________________ Procharger F1X, TH400, E85, CBI Street Cars, DSX Tuning, 1300whp

11-12-2014, 07:16 PM	#11
BOBSS Outlaw Drives: 2010SS Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Mooresville NC Posts: 299	I have the Gforce rig, good to 1500 You will spend less for a straight axle and hook much better, trust me, I know. The car will struggle at 500 rwhp, 2000? Forget it The problem with your 454 is the 4.185 bore The space between bores isn't wide enough for a gasket to hold that HP If you are serious, look at a RHS tall deck Long stroke, smaller bore Consensus is 4.125 is ok

11-13-2014, 08:55 AM	#12
Powellbr Drives: '99 Mitsubishi Mirage de coupe Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: East Carbon, UT Posts: 142	So then if the IRS is on borrowed time with that much power, would a solid 14-bolt axle handle that much power? If so, how do you do the conversion from multi-link IRS to a solid axle?

11-13-2014, 09:14 AM	#13
Powellbr Drives: '99 Mitsubishi Mirage de coupe Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: East Carbon, UT Posts: 142	You know what is the scary part of this future build though. It's not the amount of money I'm gonna be spending on it, its that this 2k+ horse is gonna be all street legal ('cept for the noise and no catts) and will be used on the street.