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11-29-2010, 04:45 PM | #2145 |
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Stock compression is 10.7 so I wouldn't call it weak sauce either.that's a pretty healthy number. There's only so much you can mill also since piston to valve clearance is pretty close on the ls3 and which would mean fly cutting the pistons would be recommended especially if you plan on running a decently healthy cam. Im not sure how much fly cutting the pistons would run u and i know it aint a huge deal but that's just a lil something else
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11-29-2010, 04:56 PM | #2146 | |
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and yeah... flycutting goes hand in hand with any sort of cam and milling.... I dont know how much it would cost a non-diy-er..... but if you do work yourself, like me, it costs you <100 to buy the tool needed to do it, and just a little patience. For a shop to do it... i dunno? i try not to take my car to shops. lol.
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11-29-2010, 05:01 PM | #2147 | |
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Ps you said it was A hundred bucks for tools and a hundred for milling and who knows how much more time involved and now the 2 percent increase ain't looking so practical.... |
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11-29-2010, 05:05 PM | #2148 | |
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I happen to like cars and working on them.... kind of why I have a camaro. haha. I thought that was a good reason to be a car enthusiast, I guess you find it hilarious that people actually LIKE to work on their cars and not pay people to do it for them? PS I said porters also usually mill heads for FREE, when they port heads.. that means FREE... i'm sorry, but maybe the third time is a charm... FREE..... I know when I got my west coast cylinder heads, rich asked me how much I wanted milled off of them, and charged me nothing. I paid $1250 for a set of 360+ cfm heads... milled...shipped. throw in $100 for head gaskets, $100 for flycutting tool (that you can sell afterwards and recoupe money), and we are looking at under 1500 for roughly 40 rwhp..... so very not practical at all. (then you can deduct ~300 from that, bececause you can sell your stock heads), so make that 1200 for ~40 rwhp. so very not practical and you can sell the tool afterwards, as there are plenty of ls3 vette guys who flycut pistons... there are even rental programs too!
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11-29-2010, 05:27 PM | #2149 | |
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First of all the Mustang Cobra is from 2003 vs. a 2010 Camaro, that is almost over 8 years considering it's almost 2011. Old tech vs. New Tech. The Cobra makes around 420-430 horse power stock (they are underrated and usually dyno around 380 to wheels stock) and that is with a 4.6 liter engine compared to the 2010 Camaro's 6.2 liter engine that makes almost the same horse power. Sounds like they are equal so how is adding a supercharger to the Camaro's much larger engine making it equal? Do you understand the concept of stock? It just baffles me everytime I see a statement like this. The Camaro has a 6.2 liter engine vs. a 4.6 liter engine and the Camaro makes as much horse power as the 2003 Cobra. It doesn't matter if one is supercharged or not because the Cobra comes from the factory with the supercharger and the Camaro does not. If you ad a blower to the Camaro SS then someone can add a Kenny Bell to the Cobra or a Whipple and the Cobra will win yet again. If we want to compare naturally aspirated engines then lets compare the 2011 Mustang 5.0 vs. the 2011 Camaro SS and the Mustang comes out on top because it is slightly faster. However comparing the stock 2003 Cobra to a stock 2010 Camaro SS is a very close competition with the edge going to the Cobra because they are slightly faster stock for stock. If you want to compare mods then game over because mod for mod a Camaro SS will not be able to keep up with a 2003 Cobra because those suckers are notorious for being able to get insane amounts of horse power when modding. Lets also not forget that not only does the Cobra have the same amount of horse powers as the SS but it also weighs around 300 pounds less. Stock for Stock their is no doubt that a Cobra is faster. I've seen stock specs for a 2003 Cobra with 4.5 seconds to 60 and 12.6 quartermile times. http://www.fast-autos.net/ I do bet money that if you add a one of the biggest kenny bell chargers or whipple chargers plus the bolt ons vs. a 2010-2011 Camaro SS with a Supercharger that the Cobra is going to come out top. |
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11-29-2010, 07:14 PM | #2151 | |
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ps...im looking at their prices and see they are MUCH higher than youre quoting them for..... also with that being said, did that $1250 you say include valves?valvesprings?locks, retainers seals and valve job? there are always details people try to leave out when downplaying things....and i still dont believe most porters will mill your heads for free. |
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you say cam only like all cam only cars have the same cam. Depending on cam choice the horsepower could be 450rwhp all the way to 500 rwhp. Hugger trapped 116 on street tires with a 2.5 60 ft. He is using a blower cam and making 470rwhp. He has no ported TB or intake. He is using a smallish cam without any supporting mods except exhaust and CAI. G6x3 cams have made 500rwhp. Orange chevy made 485 (but also pointless because they are on different dynos) Add 30hp to his build, better conditions, different set up etc, maybe a tire that he can actually accelerate with and 121 is not very hard to believe at all. how many other g6x3 cam build so we have to compare his to? until then I do not consider it an anomaly. I consider it a very high horsepower cam and good condtions/driver/proper set up. A g6x3 cam only build can make more power than a mild heads and cam set up. A lot of variables here you are just simply ignoring and blidly not giving the camaro its due... |
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11-30-2010, 06:39 AM | #2155 | |
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and you are going to need valve springs anyways, regardless of doing heads or doing cam only... I dont see why you are taxing that price on a price for a decent heads... you are going to need them for cam only anyways? unless you are putting a cam in that can still utilize stock valve springs..... and like i said... rich milled mine .020, for no extra charge.... I can scan a copy of my receipt for my heads if you want proof? Cost of putting highly milled/ported heads on a cam only car: $1250 = Cost of Bare West Coast Cylinder Heads Stage 2 L92's $160 = Head gaskets and new head bolts $100 (I remember it being a lot less, but I will round up for you) = Fly cutting tool Re-use stock valves You already should have a decent set of valve springs that came with your cam Pushrod length will change, unless you put the heads on at the same time as the cam and measure it the first time around -$300 = Can sell old heads, as Ls3/L92 heads are in HIGH demand Total: $1210... we will round up to $1250 and factor in shipping. So again.... 1250 for ~40 rwhp.... that's going to be damn near all across the board... not peak power btw, so we are looking at $31.25/hp. That's actually right on par, if not a little bit more, bang for your buck than headers + tune.
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